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SX and Paradise Lost = Satanic ??

Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by BuNdi, Mar 26, 2008.

  1. proulxski

    proulxski Welcome To Kanata Eh!

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    I don't think a rock is big enough to shield you from anything dude lol, better find I dunno...something bigger!
     
  2. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Oprah?
     
  3. proulxski

    proulxski Welcome To Kanata Eh!

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    Oprah will suffice, I wonder what her opinion on black metal is *ponders*
     
  4. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Like Living Colour?

    *laughs at the age-old joke*
     
  5. Yngvai X

    Yngvai X Dark Emperor

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    Judging by your posts in the political thread, you most certainly are not. Objectivists (or any individualist) are 100% capitalist and completely reject any form of socialism. But I'm not about to go there in this thread, thats what the other one was for ;)

    The Ten Commandments apply only to Christians. The few 10 commandments I will agree are good, I do not agree with based on the same morality that Christians do.


    You shall have no other Gods but me. - this one is obviously not applicable to an atheist.

    You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. - same as #1

    You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. - ditto.

    You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. - ditto.

    Respect your father and mother. - I don't agree with this one. You should only respect some people that deserve it, and lets face it, some parents don't deserve respect.

    You must not kill. - Agreed, but not for the same principles. Applying my morality, killing someone is irrational as it does two things: it infringes on someone else's individual freedom to life, and by committing any act against someone else, I am giving them and anyone else the right to do it to me. However, if someone is trying to kill ME, you better believe I'm going to defend myself, and under my morals this is justified, as they're now infringing on my freedoms and granting me the right to kill them.

    You must not commit adultery. - This is an odd one for me to comment on. I would never cheat on a partner that I respect and love, but sometimes something better comes along. I wouldn't cheat, I'd probably just dump whoever I was with... I'll just say its not applicable to someone who isn't a Christian.

    You must not steal. Agreed, but not for the same principles, and for the same reasons as killing.

    You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. - Agreed, dishonesty destroys your integrity.

    You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor. - Big fat disagreement here. Envy is a good thing. If no one looked at someone else who had something you didn't and thought "I wish I had that too" no one would strive to better themselves.


    So lets count. For a non-christian atheist such as myself, only 3 of the 10 I can fully agree with and apply to my own life.
     
  6. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Matt, i think you're trying a bit too hard.
     
  7. Beelzebub

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    Um, Jews follow the Ten Commandments, too.
     
  8. Yngvai X

    Yngvai X Dark Emperor

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    Trying hard for what? Its what I believe.

    Well Judeo-christian then ;)
     
  9. Beelzebub

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    Oh btw, agnosticism isn't for people who don't want to burn their bridges; it simply means not knowing if there's a god or not. Being vehemently atheist can be just as bad as being a religious fundamentalist, just on the opposite extreme. Look at communism and fascism.

    Religion doesn't always equal morality. There are plenty of religious people who are immoral. Religion did NOT lay the groundwork for the Bill of Rights. That happened during the period of enlightenment, where there was an emphasis on humanism. The only two commandments that are laws are the fifth and the seventh. Don't take my shit, and I won't kill you.
     
  10. razoredge

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    yea Matt, I decided not to go there either when you objected to the use of "lessers" in the "satanic" cult thing. Its surely a primary interest and fuel of capitolism and envy... and is a violation of "thou shall not steal", in many cases "murder" and does "bare false witness"... but I didnt go there........ lol... out of respect... go figure

    respecting thy elders - I would simply assume there was less of a twisted society at the time those were written. I had nothing but respect for my parents, grandparents as well as other elders. But yes, there are a relatively small handful of unworthy

    See how objectional and rational I CAN function..... also the reason I can easily see the flaws of capitolism ;)
     
  11. Yngvai X

    Yngvai X Dark Emperor

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    I understand this point, but in my opinion I think its important for people to be able to come to conclusions about things. To me, agnosticism is avoiding a conclusion. If I decide to come to the conclusion that god does not exist, that doesn't mean that if somewhere down the road god is scientifically proven I can review the new evidence and rethink my conclusion. I find a lot of agnostic mentality isn't so much a burning bridges thing as it is people who are either a) spiritual people that might be somewhat skeptical (or perhaps thinks it makes them smarter to be "open to anything"), but really want to believe in some kind of spirituality, whether they admit to it or not. or b) someone who is really atheistic but is still holding on to religious/spiritual instilled fear of abandoning that spirituality. I personally respect the opinion of a theist on this subject more than an agnostic for this reason, because at least a theist is actively saying "I have weighed the evidence and come to a conclusion about this."
     
  12. razoredge

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    All very true

    However religion has been corrupted by capitolistic and totalitarian wack jobs, thus the corruption or condemnation of religious freedoms according to application.
     
  13. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Trying hard to be as anti-christian as possible for no reason other than being anti-christian. I'm not questioning your beliefs and i really don't care what you believe, but you go out of your way to make a big deal about how the overlap in your beliefs and christian beliefs is so different when it's really not. I'm not religious. You know this. I don't believe in god, don't believe in the devil, believe people's ultimate goal should be to better themselves in a way they see fit, not a way dictated by a book and a guy in a funny robe. That said, christian beliefs DO have some valid merit. The bible DOES have good moral values. The ten commandments (well most of them) ARE great guidelines to live your life by, no matter who you are. You come in with the world of tryhard when you decide to overanalyze everything and split hairs so you can differentiate yourself from christians when in essence you're really sharing the same beliefs.

    Point is, i don't understand what you're trying to prove by showing how anti-christian you are. That's some Glen Benton shit dude.
     
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    This is where I have come to my dilemma in recent years. I have a belief that things happen for a reason, as well as the "what goes around, comes around" karma thing. Due to the fact that I have seen it in outside examples and even been on the recieving end.
     
  15. Beelzebub

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    Yeah, but it's someone else's conclusion, not yours, so you really have no place talking shit about someone's personal set of morals if that's what works for them.
     
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    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Not only the above post, but you are so wrong here it's not even funny. I'm agnostic because
    A) I don't believe in or practice spirituality and
    B) I don't care to make a statement, not because i fear i'll be wrong, but because i simply don't care. Myself has served me well enough in this life, i don't need to say there is or is not a God to make my life have meaning.

    Not only that, but you're saying a scientist who has a hypothosis but doesn't have enough evidence to prove or disprove it should go ahead and say "well... if new shit comes to light i'll go back, but for now i'm saying that my hypothosis is correct/incorrect". That's not how it works. When you're talking about evidence, saying "not enough evidence to draw a conclusion" is always acceptable.

    Actually...

    x+y-8 = z+5-9+g

    Solve for X, Y, Z and G. Because i've given you a bit of information... SURELY you can come up with the correct answer?
     
  17. Beelzebub

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    This equation is indeterminate. Your number of unknowns must equal your number of equations. Please try again.
     
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    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    I would, but i don't really care if x exists or not :lol:
     
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    The agnostic thing to say :tickled:
     
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    But (Zach or others) dont you think that in reality the 10 commandments are also ideals that any sane rational person can conclude for themselves at an early age simply by feeling the results of wrong doings or putting ones self in the recieving ends shoes ? Not that Im denying the contradictory devious nature of humans.... so this may possibly be why these commandments were written... for those that refused to catch on ? This was before a time of jails.... and people were prolly getting really tired of stoning each other to death.
     

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