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That "Clayman" sound....

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Glenn Fricker, Dec 26, 2005.

  1. sorceron

    sorceron ken

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    i still listen to that record all the time. i love the way every instrument sounds.
     
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    Executioner213 Ultimate Meatbag

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    Clayman's sound was sick! I'd like to attain that tone possibility as well through my TriAxis.
     
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    DEADHEART The Bringer Has Come

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    When I was looking for someone to mix my bands album last year it was about $6500 for him to do it. Compared to some other quotes we got he was right in the middle of everyone. Very fair on his prices.
     
  4. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    Well, I did a very quick test with that mic technique... and it's totally awesome.
    Tomorrow I'm going to put it thru a battery of tests & configurations, i.e. matching mics, different in each position, amp settings, which speaker on my 4 by 12, etc.

    Quick observations: The mic directly on the center cap is brittle as hell, and the off axis is very smooth. I find if the gain is matched, bring up the off axis mic & have the on axis mic about 8-12 db's lower. Things will lard up REAL quick when you combine the two, so be careful with those low mids. A multiband is a must here.

    -0z-
     
  5. Genius Gone Insane

    Genius Gone Insane http://www.¯\(°_o)/¯.com

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    Wanna post a clip for us?
     
  6. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    Nope, not yet. What I've got right now isn't even close to what I was aksing about... but it is a nudge in the right direction.

    -0z-
     
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    OzNimbus; your observations are correct. The centered mic should definitely be lower, and you also have to watch out for phase errors. The absolutely easiest way would be to do a test recording with both mics to separate tracks and take a look at the waveforms. They should match, or at least be very close. Otherwise; move one of the mics slightly and repeat the test.

    No, I exaggerated a bit for that illustration. The mics should be like ½ inch from the grill, or maybe a bit closer.

    Thanks man. :) Clips on the site are from our new album Underworld, which was not recorded in Fredman. The exact same technique was used though, with a 5150 mk II, an ENGL cab and two SM57's.
     
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    Try doing the same with a 609 at the center instead, that's the way I go about recording guitars and it's the same raw tone but with some more lows in it
     
  9. Mark_Palangio

    Mark_Palangio On The Fields Of Life

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    Does anyone know what kind of speakers are in Fred's Engl and Marshall cabs?
     
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    I'm sorry, but I don't know. :cry: I can ask.

    I called him again today, but he asked me to get back to him tomorrow, by lunch time.
     
  11. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    Belive me, phase was the first thing on my mind. In fact, I even wrote a small article on the subject:) http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4304212&postcount=77

    Actually, I was quite surprised by how tight the phase is vs. other dual mic techniques I've tried. I think I've stumbled across my new favourite heavy guitar miking technique:hotjump: Thanks for all your help, Storyteller.:headbang:

    -0z-
     
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    As far as I know, V30's

     
  13. Mark_Palangio

    Mark_Palangio On The Fields Of Life

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    V30's in both the Marshall and Engl cabs?
     
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    Shit, I just tried that mic technique too. 5150 combo loaded with V30s, and since I don't have 2 57s, I'm using a Røde NT1-A on-axis and a 57 off-axis. I made sure they were in phase, and... DAMN. What a sound. Thank you, Mr. Nordström, for this piece of sheer brilliance. What shrillness and fizziness the Vintage 30 and SM57 may have are completely smoothed out with this technique, and it adds a really aggressive snarl and unique character as well.

    I can post a clip if anyone's interested.
     
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    yeah, do it...
     
  16. Mark_Palangio

    Mark_Palangio On The Fields Of Life

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    Please post a clip and a picture of where you have the mics! :)
     
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    black sugar The Burninator

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    Fucking awesome thread. Thanks for the info, everyone. Gonna try this fo' sho...


    And yes... clips, please!
     
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    Sorry about the guitar timing... it's a bit sloppy.

    Rhythm tracks are Lead channel and Nordström method with the mics I said before, and lead/ambient tracks are Rhythm channel (go figure) with the SM57 straight on, just one mic.

    http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jelmiger/mp3/5150 Nordstrom Mics.mp3

    As for pictures, don't be fooled by the NT1-A's funny angle, the diaphragm is pointed pretty much straight at the dustcap, on-axis.

    From the front:
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    Longer view above and to the left:
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    From directly above:
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    Enjoy, and let me know what you think!
     
  19. Mark_Palangio

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    Damn man, that sounds great. Definitely has that old school Fredman/5150 vibe. Nice work, I can't wait to try that.
     
  20. MilkAndCheese

    MilkAndCheese Bastard

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    I'll be able to record pretty soon, I want to see what effect this has with my Revolution. It has a touch of fizziness that I dislike. I have an SM57 and a Beta57...which one should be centered and which one offset (in you guy's opinions)?
     

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