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That "Clayman" sound....

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Glenn Fricker, Dec 26, 2005.

  1. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    I've heard of this technique before, but always filed it under the "someday when I get some time" section of my to do list. I didn't realize how much of a paradigm shift it would be in guitar sound.

    -0z-
     
  2. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    As promised, here's a clip of the on/off axis technique.

    Clip


    This is eventually going to be part of a Black Sabbath tribute album, performed by local unsigned acts around my area.... just good clean fun. Every other band is doing the Ozzy material, so we had to be difficult & do a Dio era song.... try not to laugh too hard at my guitar playing, I'm an engineer first.

    Signal chain as follows:

    Mk1 5150 into Marshall V30 cab
    Dual sm57s (The on axis mic was pulled back 1/2 inch from where I normally put it. More hi end that way.)
    Great River Mp2NV

    And a couple of pics of the mic setup
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    That's some nice tone. Classic 5150 sound with good definition. Did you do two or four layers?
     
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    Nitronium Blood UM BOARDS' JESTER

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    That sounds superb man. Can we have a clip with a lot of palm muting please? :)
     
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    Mark_Palangio On The Fields Of Life

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    OzNimbus, did you have the mids on 0 for the clip like you do in the pic? And do you normally keep them at 0?
     
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    Hey black Sugar post a clip please :)
    I'm hungry about clips :)

    Maurizio
     
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    kev Im guybrush threepwood

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    Hey Oz, that was awesome! All the way from 22 Accacia Avenue too!
    How was it all layered together?
     
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    thestoryteller:
    hey dude, maybe you could also ask him about the haunted - revolver? i absolutely love the way that album sounds, it's the (almost ;) ) perfect modern thrash tone imho. i suppose it's also a 5150, but maybe he can give you some further details regarding the guitar setup. thanks!
     
  10. poumg

    poumg fix it in the mix

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    To Fragle:
    They used 2 5150:s (mark 1 and 2) + 2 cabinets. On the main 5150 they took out one signal from the preamp output on the rear and into the second 5150 but in clean mode. Then out to 2 cabinets with 2 mics on each(4 mics totally) Using the flying V mic technique now famous on this forum:
    Wok `n woll
     
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    cool, thanks. if i get you right they used the preamp out into the input of a second 5150 set to clean? or did they plug it into the fx return?
    i'm using a 5150 right now, and i'm struggling to get anywhere close to that sound, even when using my EMG81 loaded guitar. all i know is that when i saw them live a few weeks ago, anders had his 5150II set pretty much exactly like i tend to set up my 5150I, which i found quite interesting. nowhere close to the album tone, though :D :D :D but then again, how many bands are able to at least halfway recreate their studio tone in a live situation....i've yet to see one do so.
     
  12. Glenn Fricker

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    Thanks for the compliments guys! My amp settings were pretty different than what Diskonnect was using, but I imagine that has to do with the amp's age vs variations from amp to amp. As you can see, a couple of the knobs have been snapped off, as it used to belong to our local guitar tech guru & did a couple of thousand shows in a classic rock cover band.
    The power tubes are Sovtek 6L6 GB, so they're definitely not original. If anyone has any recommendations for 5150 power tubes, I'd be most interested in suggestions.

    Anyway, amp settings were absolute (NOT clock) as follows
    Pre: 6
    Lo: 4.5
    Mid: 0.5
    Hi: 6
    Post: 1.8
    Res: 6
    Pres: 7.5

    The guitars were quad tracked (recorded 4 times) for a total of 8 tracks. I don't normally scoop the mids that much, but with the aforementioned frequency buildup, I figured it might not be a bad idea. Post EQ went along the lines of Diskonnect's recommendations, with some multiband compression in the low mids to keep things from larding up too much. Everything over 1k was untouched.
    The guitar used for tracking is my '88 Washburn Spitfire, 29 Fret model. Here's a pic:
    [​IMG]

    -0z-
     
  13. Mark_Palangio

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    I just ordered a second mic stand for my other SM57, as soon as I get that, I will give it a go and post a clip.
     
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    poumg fix it in the mix

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    I won't be around my speakers until tonight, but your clip sounded really good through my headphones. About settings: I've heard from several people that the lead channel in the combo is voiced differently from the head, so that would be one reason our settings are so different. Also, personal preference, of course. As for power tubes, I'm pretty happy with my JJs... they're really clean and warm. You might want to check them out if you're in the market for some new tubes.
     
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    i second the jj's i had my mk1 sounding pretty good with those. but ive got the sovteks in my mk2 and it sounds pretty good too.
     
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    KeithRT99 BOOSH.

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    the link doesn't work for me and im dying to know their settings.
     
  18. Mark_Palangio

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    That link doesn't work. If anyone has seen The Haunted's live DVD, there's a part where the camera zooms in on their 5150 II settings. There's also a bunch of other footage taken from Studio Fredman as well.
     
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    poumg fix it in the mix

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    Sorry guys!!
    Try this link instead.
    http://putfile.com/poumg
    The pic is called "haunted git set up"
    Hope this will help you on the way.
     
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    ok let's see what we've got here:
    5150II
    clean channel all zero'ed
    lead channel:
    gain 5
    bass cranked
    mids zero'ed
    treble 7,5
    volume around 1 i'd guess
    resonance 8,5
    presence almost cranked

    the 5150 below:
    hi input
    rhythm gain 5,5
    bright and crunch off
    lead gain 5
    bass cranked
    mids zero'ed
    treble 5
    volume around 2?! can't really see it
    resonance cranked
    presence 5,5

    whoa.....weirdo city
     

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