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The good, the bad and the ugly

Discussion in 'In Flames' started by A88, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. A88

    A88 Bottled - really not the worst IF song ever.

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    Let us play a game... Not that game, you sick puppies!

    There are some 30+ songs on SC, Battles and ITM.

    Mix and combine them into 3 albums of similar size.

    One good, one not so much and another reserved for all the Houses, Truths and InThisLife... Like Anders wet dream horror album level of bad.

    Also, think of a name for your album if you can.
     
  2. eochaid

    eochaid Asshole

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    I don't want to listen to battles ever again.

    What would be the ugly?
     
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  3. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    I'll have a think about this later... although I think "the ugly" might end up being a double album :D
     
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    eochaid Asshole

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    Can I add songs from the ep?
     
  5. A88

    A88 Bottled - really not the worst IF song ever.

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    Brother, why would you even mention EP? I totally suppressed the memory of its existence.

    I'll do the albums tomorrow, but damn does SC sucks! I can locate some good individual songs on battles and itm, but sc is killing me. There is something wrong in at least some part of every fucking song. I would pretty much have to butcher individual riffs, melodies and choruses to make something good.

    As for ITM, I can honestly say that a 1/3 of the album has good songs (Soapf/asop/experiment), 1/3 is Battles-style forgettable, and 1/3 is absofuckinglutely terrible just like... well, heavily autotuned SC with Battles influences.
     
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  6. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    I can't really think of album names and stuff, so I'm just going to list what I think are the good songs, average songs and bad songs...

    Good:

    Through Oblivion
    With Eyes Wide Open
    Dead Eyes
    Become the Sky
    The End
    Before I Fall
    Battles
    Greatest Greed
    Us Against the World
    I, the Mask
    I Am Above
    Burn
    Deep Inside
    Stay With Me

    Average:

    In Plain View
    Paralyzed
    Siren Charms
    The Chase
    The Truth
    In My Room
    Wallflower
    Voices
    Follow Me
    We Will Remember

    Bad:

    Everything's Gone
    When the World Explodes
    Rusted Nail
    Monsters in the Ballroom
    Filtered Truth
    Drained
    Like Sand
    Through My Eyes
    Here Until Forever
    Underneath My Skin
    Save Me
    Call My Name
    (This is Our) House
    In This Life
    All the Pain

    I was being quite generous here. So overall...

    Good (14)

    Siren Charms: 4
    Battles: 5
    ITM: 5

    Average (10)

    Siren Charms: 4
    Battles: 3
    ITM: 3

    Bad (15)

    Siren Charms: 5
    Battles: 6
    ITM: 4

    So it's actually pretty similar across the board for the last three albums, for me. Roughly the same amount of tracks I consider "good" across all three of the latest albums (basically, I'll enjoy listening to them when they come on). More or less the same amount of average tracks too (songs I don't mind if they come on in my playlist but wouldn't seek out to play) and the most bad songs (ones I will never listen to again) coming from Battles with Siren Charms close behind. ITM doing slightly better than the previous two.

    I actually thought this would be more heavily weighted towards SC/Battles but actually neither of them are that far away from ITM. To use SOAPF as a comparative yardstick...

    Good: (10)

    SOAPF
    Deliver Us
    The Puzzle
    Fear is the Weakness
    Where the Dead Ships Dwell
    Darker Times
    Ropes
    Enter Tragedy
    A New Dawn
    Liberation

    Average: (2)

    The Attic
    Jester's Door (neither of these are proper songs though)

    Bad: (1)

    All For Me

    So realistically I, the Mask is still way off SOAPF in my perception. It's more like a slight improvement on SC & Battles.
     
  7. galvanized

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    So true. That EP is the WORST. FUCKING. PIECE. OF. SHIT. Battles is at least 4 times better.
     
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  8. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    I prefer to pretend the EP doesn't exist. We talk about In Flames changing their name, but that EP should simply not have been released under the In Flames name. It was an Anders & Bjorn vanity project and that's how it should have been labelled.

    Anders Fríden & Bjorn Gelotte - Ruining Songs You Used To Love (EP)
     
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    Jester313 Clad in shadows

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    I'm not a huge fan of the verses on Everything's Gone, but damn do I love the chorus. So powerful in my opinion. Also, I like Filtered Truth a lot. Probably because I think that has a really strong chorus as well.
     
  10. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    Everything's Gone just sounds so fake to me, especially on Siren Charms. It's like they think they're throwing the fans a bone because they know people are going to be pissed by the general atmosphere and tone of the album. But much like When the World Explodes I don't feel like their heart was in songs like this during that time period - or ever, really, In Flames have never been a band doing "brutal" songs and this one just falls so flat for me. It's just like... if you don't want to make songs like this, then don't. Nobody is expecting it and EG just feels so out of place on Siren Charms.

    Filtered Truth is one of those that's more of a personal dislike for me. I know a lot of people do dig it and that's cool, it just isn't my kind of sound. Production does not help, and if better produced I might have put it in the average category. I just really dislike how this track sounds overall. Personal taste though, I can see why others would like it even if I don't.
     
  11. ThePhobiac

    ThePhobiac be at ease

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    The new EP is better than Battles in its entirety.

    I played this game. Only the third album is bad.

    Voices from the Edge of the Earth
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    In Plain View
    I, the Mask
    Paralyzed
    Through Oblivion
    With Eyes Wide Open
    Siren Charms
    Voices
    All the Pain
    Dead Eyes
    The Chase
    Stay With Me
    When the World Explodes
    Filtered Truth

    Earth | Moon | Sun
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    I Am Above
    Everything's Gone
    Rusted Nail
    Drained
    The End
    Call My Name
    Before I Fall
    Follow Me
    Burn
    Monsters in the Ballroom
    The Truth
    Become the Sky

    That Which Makes ThePhobiac Want to Kill Himself
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    Here Until Forever
    We Will Remember
    Underneath My Skin
    Save Me
    In This Life
    (This is Our) House
    Like Sand
    In My Room
    Through My Eyes
    Battles
    Greatest Greed
    Us Against the World
    Deep Inside
    Wallflower
     
  12. Man Made Bod

    Man Made Bod Standing Forever Fast

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    [Insert Interesting Album Title Here]:

    In Plain View
    I, The Mask
    The End
    I Am Above
    Paralyzed
    The Chase
    Dead Eyes
    Become the Sky
    Burn
    Wallflower
    Filtered Truth
    Stay With Me


    The Half-Assed One:

    Voices
    Everything's Gone
    Call My Name
    Like Sand
    Follow Me
    Deep Inside
    Us Against The World
    Rusted Nail
    When The World Explodes

    A Collection of Failures:

    Drained
    The Truth
    In My Room
    Before I Fall
    Through My Eyes
    Battles
    Here Until Forever
    Underneath my Skin
    Save Me
    (This Is Our) House
    We Will Remember
    In This Life
    All The Pain
    Not Alone
    With Eyes Wide Open
    Siren Charms
    Monsters In The Ballroom
    Through Oblivion
     
  13. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    I'll make my good, average, bad listing a three-disc set titled "Sounds of Our Inspiration Fading". Each disc gets progressively shittier.
     
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    You deaerve it for wanting me to listen to battles. I have not listened to it since its release and have erased almost all my memories of it.
     
  15. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    Why wouldn't you want to listen to such classic melodies as "somebody savveee meeehhhh, i've been trying so HARD but I can't see that far sooo save mehhhhhhhhhh"
     
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    Anders should make a song about my trauma.
     
  17. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    I thought that was what "All The Pain" is about.
     
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    eochaid Asshole

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    Then it's not making justice to my pain :D
     
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  19. A88

    A88 Bottled - really not the worst IF song ever.

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    So, I completed my "good" album. For ITM songs it was a no brainer, I had The End and Wallflower too, butfor the rest I had to suffer through entire SC and Battles.

    SC has a deeply flawed songs, and I can't think of any song I like completely. Also, too much similar song with zero dynamics. I went with WEWO and Paralyzed. Filtered Truth was in the mix, but I couldn't make it fit somewhere on the "album".

    With Battles things are more uniform,but also cringy (you...heart out) and so empty. Even though SC is bad, this is more empty and meaningless. Finally I settled for safe bet The End, my favorite Wallflower and interesting and commercial BIF.

    So that leaves me with a problem of naming this fantastic collection of songs. Let's go with something with flamess and something cheesy.

    In Flames - The Flame Within
    (The Best of the Worst)

    01. Voices
    02. I Am Above
    03. With Eyes Wide Open
    04. The End
    05. Paralyzed
    06. Deep Inside
    07. Before I Fall
    08. Wallflower
    09. Burn
    10. Stay With Me

    Make a playlist, and try it out as an album. Works just fine.

    Voices is a proper song, and has an intro, so its an opener. IAA continues strong, but it is also a single material. After two heavier songs there is wewo, a nice, mellow piece. We are back to life with The End. Things continue stable with Paralyzed, then we go metal again with Deep Inside. BIF is short and light to prepare us for 7 minute of Anders emotions in epic Wallflower. We not going to end this without another fast song. And in the end, a perfect closing with a halfacoustic emotional breakdown.

    44-45 minutes in total. Proper album with singles. For me, it would rate behind the classics and 2-3 albums of post 2000 era.
     
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    eochaid Asshole

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    So I'm downloading battles and my computer is like

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