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Discussion in 'Backline' started by BLUElightCory, Jun 10, 2013.
Just curious, for those who have built Hackintoshes that are comparable, what are your specs?
It's a bit more than just an Apple logo that you're paying for but I get what you mean.
How well does the hardware in a hackintosh integrate with OSX if you choose it properly? Is it completely seamless?
Main cons are:
- no need for those 2 big graphic cards.
- no additional internal hdd/ssd possible
- no internal dsp cards possible
- has a coffe cup warmer on top built in
I think some people are missing much of the point of this machine. The aim isn't to make a giant machine with lots of internal expansion slots and try to please everybody. It's to make a powerful "core" machine that can be configured to work in a lot of different situations. Keep in mind the type of customers who will buy a Mac Pro. They might be engineers, graphic designers, film editors, etc. - the point is that the needs can change dramatically from one professional user to the next. So it's smart to build a powerful, super-quiet machine with tons of external expansion, and let people add whatever devices they need.
I've always built my PC's and bought mac laptops. I'm happy with this arrangement however what DIY'ers never seem to get is that for lots of people a plug-n-play, off-the-shelf computer with a warranty and international support structure is worth the cost of admission. Apple is (rightly) the lightening rod for price criticism but note that a comparable dell is comparably priced. It's also worth noting that apple stuff holds it's value like no other so you can generally cash out of the additional cost when you upgrade. I don't fault anyone for saying "I can do it cheaper and better" but I also don't fault anyone for saying "give me something that works right now."
If and when I have the cash I am probably going to buy one of these. will go perfect with the thunderbolt symphony IO rig I wanna put together.
Honestly, I totally get this. An engineering firm who is doing 3D CAD models all day isn't going to bat an eye at the price on this thing. They NEED it, so they'll buy it. They can't be bothered to build their own things, as they have more important things to build, and they want something with a warranty, so if it breaks, someone will come fix it.
Really though, the value in Mac is in their laptop line. With the recent price cuts on the Mac Pro w/ Retina display... you're getting a pretty killer computer for the price. No longer is it several hundred dollars ahead of the competition... the screen alone is worth the premium, if you're doing creative work on it. Sure, you might not be getting the quad core processor for the price (though you can upgrade to it for a price that's actually not THAT insane), but similarly spec'd Windows computers, of the same quality, don't even come close to the same amount of battery life and their screens can't match up.
If its well specced, if you do a botch job or get lazy speccing working components then it can be less than that. I would expect a good 50% saving on a comparable hackintosh unit compared to the mac version.
As Egan points out though, Mac gear holds value - it's like buying a Gibson, even if you don't think Gibsons are the best guitars you know you will get a good new price to return ratio on resale. This is important because most stuff just buckets; Hackintosh units will not resell well so you have to be in it for the long term saving.
Also the retina displays are fucking awesome and worth the money imho - that amount of screen real estate you really miss compared to say a HP Probook - that can be hackintoshed but is pretty bad for sizing. Having those 2000+ resolutions really helps when you're trying to find what you're after on a crowded PT screen.
Pretty lame someone can call this "an evolution"..I've a little mac pro but I have to use the space I save with cable and external periferies..
The vast majority of us lot don't need this kind of computer power. An i3 would do the bulk of what we need to do. My i7 rig is here to stay for a loooooooooooooong time yet; only thing I might do is update the GPU and add some more SSD's, but even then I've spent very little money. The machine itself was less than £700, and it does everything I need. Is it as powerful as these new Macs on paper? Nope. Does it matter in reality? Nope.
Bear in mind that these days it is ridiculously easy to get up and running with a hackintosh now, with most systems. Unless you have some reaaaally ancient components, you're gonna find a KEXT for whatever device you have.
Bit of a different story for laptops.
Yes it is, what I'm saying though is that if you don't spec out fairly proficiently at least then you can end up with weird eccentricities - no onboard sound or wifi or ethernet or something - which, considering the question, is not completely seamless. You are right though - a lot of configurations are manageable although some require more workarounds than others - it's the equivalent of running linux on a system some years ago - you always had to be prepared to tweak to get a few things running but once it is going its fairly stable. If you do get the setup bang on though you can just boot and run multibeast or whatever and then be done.
If this or the mac pro isn't anybodies bag then you can get a mac mini, which is both fairly well specced, cheap (for a mac) and has a good multitude of ports for just about everything.
Aye, I use a Mac mini in the office - it's decent enough, superdrive is a bit chod though.
Ahahahahaha please tell me that's a joke picture.
I'm thinking of putting together a build with the new Ivy-E. Less than $2k for the whole thing, with 32GB of DDR3 2400 quad channel (expandable to 64), and a monster board that should be released by the end of this month.
Fractal R4 case
Gigabyte motherboard with Thunderbolt
Intel i7 3770K overclocked to 4.5Ghz
32 GB RAM
2 TB HDD
Corsair H100 Liquid Cooler
It's a monster and it was half the price. Hacks can be troublesome your first try (mine wouldn't boot right until I deleted a bunch of pre-loaded graphic card kexts) but once you're up it's literally 99% seamless.
What video card did you choose?
That's not a Xeon, though?
Core i7 3770K outperforms the 4 and 6 core Xeons in the previous generation of Mac Pros by quite a bit, especially if you overclock. A 12 core model (2-6 core CPUs) would outperform the 3770K, but not by super high margins. The 3970X should outperform a 12 core Mac Pro, though.
Specs on mine are:
Core i7 3770K overclocked to 4.8GHz
32GB G.Skill Ripjaw X RAM overclocked to 2133MHz
2 x 120GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD system drives (one runs OSX, the other runs Windows 8)
2 x 1TB 7200 Seagate Barracudas (one for OSX one for Windows)
MSI nVidia GTX 660 TI
NZXT H2 case