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Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by progmetaldan, Feb 2, 2007.
Trying to argue in a discussion in Dream Theater is like trying to get on Bash.org.
Yeah I just saw that on a school computer
that guy on the far right must have a really small twanger.
Fates Warning, nor Queensryche, nor say Helloween took music to the intense level of key sig or timing sig or indepth runs and scaler/mode abuse that Dream Theater did. Nor did those bands exihibit the overall mood swings within a piece that paint such a musical picture. And yes I can compare their mastery to that of the Classics because there is little doubt in my mind that Mozart would not roll over but rather buy a front row ticket and stand there with his jaw hanging and head bouncin .......... Mozart ---->
So whos more experimental, Im looking for something new, all the time, just usually let down. Please dont steer me to some band that has a pissed of rabid dog "singin" I guess thats called "numetal" where they use old rehashed more repetitive Hetfield, Mustaine or Petrucci riffs.
Oh lord no, I would steer you towards the amazing bands known as Scar Symmetry, Agalloch, Opeth, Moonsorrow, Swallow The Sun...
Trust me, even if you hate all these, there are so many more out there that dwarf DT and SX. But not even these can be compared to the masters of baroque and classical music.
Hahaha. Pathetic attempt. Seriously, you just shrank a few millimetres.
Naked guys w/soap suds...Dan Swano is in there somewhere gauranteed.
No. Dag Swanö is.
Ive listened to alot of Opeth, never heard the others though. But take Opeth for example, very interesting manor of song writing, Black Water Park blew me away but its no where near the indepth level of musical mastery of DT and SX.
Im suspecting your leaning more toward the fact that DT & SX are now old school, not that I like that term at all but its a fact that DT is now somewhere around 19+ years old and Sym X 13+ so their early influences and music shows that. I suppose the Classics have been old school now since jazz took off in the early 1900's and people stopped thinking that all music was and could be was what they sang from on Sundays in their hymnals.
We've come along ways and in '88 when Petrucci, Moore, Myung and Portnoy threw together a little piece called Ytse Jam they upped the bar quite high.
razoredge, what I'm saying is what they did wasn't new even then. Fates Warning - Awaken The Guardian, No Exit....
*looks at post*
*looks at jax*
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*looks at jax*
*sighs* I'll be good.
Seriously... there's nothing I can add to this.
Oh shit, someone made fun of my favorite band? Time to take out the duelin' pistols.
hahaha seriously "son", if you're still in europe, I'll gladly wait for you in Athens, Greece if you're in need of some swimming in the sea and a nice tan. I'll make sure you have a great time.
No Exit - '87
When Dream and Day Unite - '88
Awaken the Guardian - no comparision
I listen to my Alder Fates regulary with my DT & SX and Matheos approach is considerably different and without all the wizardry or as they say musical masterbation. Then Fates was origionally accused of being Maiden rips offs which they too disproved.
When I listen to I&W or Awake or any of the others I just dont hear a correlation to Awaken the Guardian other than they are aggressive progressive outside the box approach. I dont think Fates ever did anything resembling Yse Jam or adversely ... Metropolis.
Honestly as I said somewhere before when I first heard Images and Words I was reminded of a Rush, meets ELP, meets Kansas, meets Yes, meets Crack the Sky, meets Dregs, meets the 90's, only it was on such a higher level, more closely resembling the composition approach and mastery of scales and modes of the ....... classical composers.
If Images and Words was not ground breaking Ill set my guitar down ....... for a day ......
You see, my point wasn't that Fates Warning is better than Dream Theater (though some of their albums are, in my opinion), but that they were first. Dream Theater members even admit it, and in several interviews list off who they feel were the real innovators of prog metal. Fates is one of the bands listed. Essentially I'm just saying that DT isn't groundbreaking. They had some great albums (I&W is one of them) but they are nowhere near the people you are comparing them to. Neither are Fates Warning.