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The "What Are You Doing This Moment" Thread

Discussion in 'GMD Social Forum' started by A8, Sep 15, 2007.

  1. Blind Guardian

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    I think it's going to become a bigger problem in Europe than the US. Despite (or perhaps because of) having immigrants from all over the world, a stranger-hostile party has never received any significant power in the US. The British National Party has a couple of seats in the European parliament, Dutch PVV too. We have a nationalist party in Sweden which is similar to these parties and its gaining more and more ground. The best thing to do would be to switch to a first past the post system like in Britain to exclude these kind of parties from a national level.
     
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    Republican party? I'm talking about parties which border racism, and while I'm sure a lot of racists vote for the Republicans their agenda is hardly to throw out every immigrant in the country.
     
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    I like parties with naked chicks and alcohol.
     
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    Checking out The Metal Sessions. This is an excellent resource for metal musicians. I fucked up my throat doing vocals this weekend and this is helping me find the right way to do it.
     
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    Finished the book, did both projects, no Super Smash Bros. Fun night.

    edit: Just got back from a club at school. Twas fun. Going to do a boring Spanish assignment then be lazy for the rest of the day.
     
  8. SentinelSlain

    SentinelSlain I hate tv references

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    While I think the BNP are a silly party, I think the though process that leads to taking measures to block their ability to gain power needs to be looked at.

    If a large proportion of a population think that immigration control needs to be addressed, then it needs to be addressed. The best way to avoid extremists getting into power is to avoid having a group of people who live sheltered lives and have silly idealist beliefs on issues that actually affect the population day to day. Also, no party, or individual who does not believe in the principle of a sovereign nation state, should ever govern a nation state. The reason being is that they will act on behalf of people who did not elect him, possibly against the wishes and interests of those who did.

    Also Geert Wilders Party are very different to the BNP. The BNP are a direct continuation from the British Union of Fascists, which was the British Equivalent of the German National Socialist (Nazi) party before world war two. Obviously, the BNP's support of Israel is a complete turnaround in position that is due to public opinion being critical of Islam rather the Judaism. Geert Wilders supports Israel and always has and has essentialy no policies that discriminate on the grounds of 'genetic race' (unlike the BNP)
     
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    Yeah, but preferably by a serious party and not a one-subject-party that doesn't look at what's good for people as a whole and targets certain groups of citizens. There's a problem where politicians are too PC to criticize immigration policy, and people turn to parties like these since no one else dares to bring this question up.
     
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    The BNP is using immigration reform as a screen for racism anyway. It's not that they're immigrants it's that they're brown.
     
  11. SentinelSlain

    SentinelSlain I hate tv references

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    I've added to the post.
     
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    However Geert Wilders and FVV are anti-Islam and pro-Christian, among other things he wants to ban the Koran. Religious freedom should exist all over Europe.
     
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    I'm just speculating here, but I think these kind of anti-immigrants reactions are occurring in Europe because it has not had the same long history of immigration that the Americas have. When immigration was first starting in the US, there were also a lot of anti-immigration parties. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_nothing_party.
     
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    Well almost every American has an immigrant heritage to start with :p
    Plus the whole American dream is much based around immigration and new opportunities, melting pot or salad bowl or what you want to call it.
    European countries on the other hand have these perceived ancient identities that some feel need "protection", and every outsider is a "threat".
     
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    SentinelSlain I hate tv references

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    Are you versed in European History? Do you know what it was like for conquered European countries under Ottoman rule?
     
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    Heh Sweden was allied with the Ottoman Empire for a time against Russia and our king lived there for six years so yeah I've read quite a bit about it. Modern day immigration hardly compares to that kind of conquest though, people just want a home were they can live in peace.
     
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    SentinelSlain I hate tv references

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    Actually it's a known thing a lot of immigrants from certain countries move to, for example, the UK in order to make money through crime. The decrease in crime in certain areas of Romania, along with the increase in London, and the identities of some criminals proved it.
     
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    Belligerent Greekus Urungus

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    Not denying that. But there is always many law obedient immigrants for every criminal one, but naturally bad behaviour gets more attention than good behaviour, that's how papers get sold. You can't sacrifice the good majority just to get to the rotten individuals, that's just not how it works.
    With that said I'm of the opinion that Europe should close it's borders until it can handle immigration in a proper way.
     
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