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The World Cup Thread

Discussion in 'GMD Social Forum' started by crimsonfloyd, Jun 10, 2014.

  1. crimsonfloyd

    crimsonfloyd Active Member

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    3rd place games are really unpredictable. They often have a lot of backups in there, so that the guys can say they played in a World Cup game. It’s basically a vestige from the old days when the World Cup tried to emulate the Olympics. They should get rid of it TBH.
     
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    i mean, if there was such thing as a FIFA team i wouldn't support them either. i like the sport too much to outright quit it based on the corruption of those running it though (i am a boxing fanatic after all, and that sport's fucked up beyond belief).

    supporting the underdog is a quintessentially british thing, i thought americans were the ones who didn't do that lol. i nearly always support the underdog personally, but if a poor team lucks their way to the championship too often it devalues the whole process - winning the world cup is such a hallowed thing precisely because only strong teams ever do it. and there's a lot of luck involved this year because the four best teams in the quarter finals were all on one side of the draw, meaning half the teams had a far more difficult route to the final than the other half. croatia arguably haven't met a single team in the top 8 in the world yet, things have just fallen their way - this would've been even more true of england, who didn't even win their group and yet stumbled on a relatively easy run to the semis.

    and yeah i agree the 3rd place match should be scrapped, it's pointless. funnily enough it'll be the second game between england and belgium in this tournament where neither team really gives a shit about winning.
     
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    having a hard time on this one. where is the british underdog film cinema?!

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    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...y-inferior-croatia-press-world-cup-semi-final

     
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    how much british cinema have you even seen lol

    the US doesn't tend to be too interested in sports they aren't good at in my experience (look at how the interest in boxing declined when the klitschkos started dominating at heavyweight), whereas we're typically shit at most of our country's favourite sports lol. we have a long tradition of loving failures and nearly men, henman being the quintessential example. i've heard it theorised that we as a culture are too self-deprecating to adore dominant sportsmen in the way the US seems to, we don't seem to have that same pride or killer instinct.
     
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    american underdog cinema is global, what's british underdog cinema? bend it like beckham? :lol:

    isnt british identity that we are the top and have been on the top for centuries? reason why brits try to speak so fancy and appear high class

    while our underdog narrative starts from being the little guys on that continent to being the 'saviors' of WW2 and saver of the free world?
     
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    I met Patrick Kluivert, Hope Solo, and Ray Hudson at an LAFC/BeinSports event
     
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    It was self deprecating humor.

    I hate when people (not you) root against England claiming colonialism, but then dont give a fuck about France, Portugal, and Spain
     
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    It makes sense if their country was colonized by England, but otherwise you're right, it's a double-standard.
     
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    With few exceptions, England radically improved places they colonized despite the oppression of many of the indigenous peoples. They gave them soccer itself for that matter. The other powers were highly exploitative by comparison, and the export of the Catholic church continues the exploitation in former Spanish holdings even today.
     
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    Typical dumbass racist comment. Who cares that they dismantled their cultures and institutions, they gave them soccer! Sounds like a fair tradeoff to me...
     
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    They seem to like soccer well enough. And yeah, that's all they got :rolleyes:.

    Let me know when you practice true multiculturalism and celebrate paedophilia and female genital mutilation et al. Because culture! Institutions!
     
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    You mentioned soccer as a reason colonization was a positive, not me. I would suggest you look at your own words and arguments, but I've argued with you enough times to know you won't acknowledge the stupid shit you say.

    And of course they got more. However, colonization is not the only means through which ideas, knowledge, resources, and technologies have been exchanged, so pointing out that there were benefits (i.e. medical advancement) does not demonstrate that colonization was positive because those exchanges could have occurred through less oppressive means.

    I don't even know how to respond to this line of reasoning, it's so fucking convoluted. Are you implying that if I think colonization was wrong then I automatically condone every cultural practice in every colonized society? If so, that's some basic-ass thinking. I thought you said you went to grad school...
     
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    We can play the could-have game all day long. I'll readily agree that voluntary trade is better/more ethical/etc than colonization, ceteris paribus. But I was merely pointing out that colonization is not a homogeneous suite from nation to nation, or even within respect to specific different colonies under the same colonizing force, and that it is possible for there to be net positives for a colony.

    This the same argument surrounding the use of the atomic weapons against Japan. No serious thinker (to my knowledge) has said that using them was an absolute positive. The argument is surrounding the possibility of a net positive.

    Although I'm not personally much of a fan of soccer (the professional sport anyway), providing sport to populations previously lacking something of the kind could dramatically improve quality of life through a variety of psychosocial mechanisms. Even in mere meat calculation, who knows how many lives soccer has saved?

    I didn't mean to give that impression. I'm implying that you lean on feel-good vagueness ("culture", "instutitions") that fall flat as soon as specifics are delineated.
     
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    I'm really curious how the French will do at the next world cup. They have so much depth in their squad that it's fucking unreal. And since they have such a great generation of young players, they can be unbeatable next time. I don't think there was a single better generation of players than the one France has now. How many classy forward do they have? It's unfathomable how immense their squad is. And when you add to that the future Ballon d'Or winner, it makes your jaw drop immediately.
     
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    Time for some country to start layin out the cash. Or open their borders or whatever.
     

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