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Trouble with Tone. Can you help?

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Demonstealer, Sep 8, 2009.

  1. Demonstealer

    Demonstealer Member

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    Hey Everyone,
    I'm recording my bands album and while I've been recording for a while now and getting good results I've always taken the easy way out using a POD XT Live for my guitar sound which was fine because it was in my room and I didn't own a tube amp etc etc. I finally did get myself a tube amp and I have a soundproofed room where I can record it. So I finally did and I'm pretty much a novice with the whole process so I uploaded a few sample clips and would be grateful for any feedback the more experienced folk here can give me.


    Gear Used.
    ESP Guitar with EMG81 pickups tuned to D Standard with .13gauge strings
    POD X3 in front of amp using a gate, compressor and boost + eq
    Amp is Laney VH100R with a GS412T Cabinet with Vintage Celestian 30s in it.
    Microphone Used Sennheiser E609 and SM58 used without cap (acts like a 57 then)
    Soundcard used is TC Electronic Konnekt 8 which has IMPACT mic pre-amps on it.

    And please excuse the sloppy playing :p

    HERE ARE THE NEW UPDATED CLIPS.

    Clip1 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SM-ONLYFLAT.mp3
    SM58 with Cap off. 2 tracks left and 2 tracks right. Only noise gate on it. No post at all.

    Clip2 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN-ONLYFLAT.mp3
    Sennheiser e609 Mic. 2 tracks left and 2 tracks right Only noise gate on it. No post at all.

    Clip3 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN+SM-FLAT.mp3
    A mix of the above 2. 1 track of each left and 1 track of each right. Only noise gate on it. No post at all

    Clip4 -http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SM-ONLY-EQ%2BDRUMS.mp3
    This is Clip1 with EQ + Drums in post just to get an idea.

    Clip5 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN-ONLY-EQ+DRUMS.mp3
    This is Clip2 with EQ + Drums in post jsut to get an idea.

    Clip6 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN80PAN+SM100PAN-EQ+DRUMS.mp3
    This is clip 3 but the Sennheiser 2 tracks are panned 80% left and right opposed to the 100% in clip 3. This has EQ + Drums.

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    UPDATED CLIPS


    Clip 1 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SM-ONLY-NEW.mp3
    New SM58 mic position

    Clip 2 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN-ONLY-NEW.mp3
    New E609 mic position

    Clip 3 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN-PLUS-SN-NEW.mp3
    A mix of both new mics

    Clip 4 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/NEWSM+OLDSN.mp3
    A mix of the New SM58 position and old E609 mic position

    Clip 4 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SM+SN-SAME-TAKE-DUALMIC.mp3
    Dual micing. 1 take left and 1 take right. Both mic in NEW position

    Clip 5 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/DUAL-MIC-4TAKES-8TRACKS.mp3
    Same as clip 4 but 2 takes left and 2 takes right. Total 8 tracks.
     
  2. sickgod

    sickgod Sickgod

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    Clip3 sounds nice 2 me man... POD really craps out the sound according to me... being a POD user myself i ve started drifting away from it... a tube amp really adds those hairs around those balls.....:headbang:
     
  3. PostMortem1666

    PostMortem1666 Ocean Planet is on burn

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    Well if you really mean the mic was in the CENTER of the cabinet there is no speaker there which explains why the first clip sounds like complete shit.

    Clip 2: Sounds phasey. Why don't you get a decent tone with 1 mic before you start with 2.
    Clip 3: Sounds better but move the mic closer to the cone. It is muffled and also thin.
     
  4. Dalinkwent48@aim.com

    Dalinkwent48@aim.com Be Creative, Get Laid

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    clip 3 works for me
     
  5. Demonstealer

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    Cool thanks for the feedback. Really helps me with what to do next. I'll upload some samples in a few hours.

    Thanks tons.
     
  6. GarethSE

    GarethSE New Metal Member

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    Why would you mic the center of the cabinet?
     
  7. Demonstealer

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    ^^^ Because I was extremely mind fucked and stressed and had an el retardo moment. [:p]

    On the bright side I could make the next big epic fail tm picture with me and my cabinet with the mic bang in the middle where there are no speakers :p

    I guess to err is human or something to that extent [:p]
     
  8. PostMortem1666

    PostMortem1666 Ocean Planet is on burn

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    Haha don't worry man. We all have at least done something stupid before.
     
  9. Demonstealer

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    ^^^ I'm just uploading the new clips. I think they are much better, but am pretty sure there is room for improvement.
     
  10. Demonstealer

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    Clips Update. Please have a listen now. Thanks in advance. :)
     
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    they all sound kinda muffled/wooly as well as loose (unless that what you're going for) imo..
    is this only an amp or ts->amp?
     
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    This is my guitar going into the POD X3 which has compression, gate, eq and boost. The problem I'm having is on my headphones they sound much better. Also I have two setups, one is the room which i record in which is got only headphones to monitor in and the other is where I have my near fields. On the headphones it sounds kind ok and i bring it up and then it sounds totally different on the near fields.
     
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    yea i know.. the pod sounds very different on the outputs.. try and test a tone infront of your monitors or atleast with some iso cans when your searching
     
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    ^^ I think I'm going to go pickup a boss noise gate pedal and eq pedal today and remove the pod from the chain and see if i can get better results from it. Will also move the mic around a bit more.
     
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    take off the pod, turn the amp louder, try to get a good tone from it by itself and mic the center of the speaker. Don't worry about the noise
     
  16. Demonstealer

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    Okay got some more updated samples.


    Clip 1 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SM-ONLY-NEW.mp3
    New SM58 mic position

    Clip 2 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN-ONLY-NEW.mp3
    New E609 mic position

    Clip 3 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SN-PLUS-SN-NEW.mp3
    A mix of both new mics

    Clip 4 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/NEWSM+OLDSN.mp3
    A mix of the New SM58 position and old E609 mic position

    Clip 4 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/SM+SN-SAME-TAKE-DUALMIC.mp3
    Dual micing. 1 take left and 1 take right. Both mic in NEW position

    Clip 5 - http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1953726/DUAL-MIC-4TAKES-8TRACKS.mp3
    Same as clip 4 but 2 takes left and 2 takes right. Total 8 tracks.
     
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    Mic closer to the center of the speaker. Put the mic over where the dustcap meets the cone and move it an inch to 3 inches back.
    Can't get a good tone like that? Try again. Once you can nail that start experimenting with shit a little more but that's pretty much the closest thing to a tried and tested, damn near perfect mic position.
    Then rather than putting the e609 at the edge of the speaker, go fredman style with it, or you could just stop using it all together because it's a fucking horrible mic. Never seen anyone outside of HCAF amp forum that likes that mic, and I'd hardly say they're the most reliable place for teh AE knowledgez.

    First clip is a definate improvement, scrap the others
     
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    PostMortem1666 Ocean Planet is on burn

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    I like clip 1 and 3 of the last set. Not bad man!
     

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