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what do you like to hear in power metal and prog?

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by AnimalNightspirit, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. EffigyForgotten

    EffigyForgotten New Metal Member

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    Power metal needs power. Progressive metal needs progressiveness.
     
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    That was quite different. I liked the Dream Theater better.
     
  3. UltimateApathy

    UltimateApathy Infinite Idiocy

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    I'm gonna throw some more of the Power Metal bands that I like into this thread - it's all European Power Metal (of course) because Americans don't have a clue what good Power Metal is :D ;)

    Heavenly


    Fairyland
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZICo043F8&fmt=18[/ame]

    Elvenking


    Freedom Call


    Dragonforce


    Gamma Ray


    Epica


    Helloween


    Blind Guardian


    Power Quest


    Holy Knights
     
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  4. Master_Yoda77

    Master_Yoda77 True Doom

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    "I like my power metal to be as gay as fuck"

    -PigFarmInIran

    This is what I want in power metal. Actual power and balls, not homosexuality.







     
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  5. UltimateApathy

    UltimateApathy Infinite Idiocy

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    Don't worry, there's nothing wrong with being gay, we won't judge you negatively for it, my son :popcorn:
     
  6. UltimateApathy

    UltimateApathy Infinite Idiocy

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    On a more serious note though, you replied to my post only 15 minutes after I listed all those songs and somehow determined that they were all "gay as fuck" (as you most eloquently put it) even though you couldn't possibly had time to listen to all of them, you just made your judgements based on band names and prejudices, which is what ignorant bigots do. I listened to the stuff you posted although I already knew what I was gonna hear: no choirs, no orchestra, no keyboards, just watered down wanna-be Thrash Metal. You'd probably be better off just listening to Thrash Metal instead of that junk and leave the appreciation of TRUE (Symphonic) Power Metal to the real afficiandos out there.
     
  7. HamburgerBoy

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    Guardian is far from "watered down". lol @ Helloween, Gamma Ray, Dragonforce, and Power Quest being "symphonic" metal. Flower metal doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of people, but choirs, orchestra, etc are generally reserved for only the biggest names of power metal (i.e. A Night at the Opera) and are far from ubiquitous in the average modern power metal band. Keyboards are common, but they're just as rarely used in any symphonic manner.

    And FWIW I think Virgin Steele is overrated as fuck and although I do like Ample Destruction, I don't understand its reputation as an early power metal pioneer. Aside from The Crucifix it's basically I see it as "just" heavy/speed metal (so is Metal Church's S/T which is fucking amazing, but it's more mentioned in the context of thrash for some reason).

    Power Metal:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHTKMJjZ-X8 Adramelch

    Progressive Metal:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq8ZEJLfgsI Voivod
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3qeI--9F6U Psychotic Waltz
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RNvyCbVZh0 Hammers of Misfortune
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWplRkJHTI Mayfair

    And just to clarify, when I say "common 70's progressive rock" I mean more the accessible/popular Genesis, Camel, etc type, which is probably even better represented in 80's neo-prog. I don't have anything inherently against keyboards, blatant 70's prog influence, or more accessible balladic moments in progressive metal (Hammers of Misfortune has all three in some of their albums) but I generally lean towards bands that are more progressive in the experimental sense and are consistently challenging, rather than ones which may be superior in terms of instrumental prowess and may write much longer songs but have clear delineations between the obligatory "heavy" parts, the catchy melodic chorus, the solo sections, etc. The Dream Theater song posted above (even though I think it's decent and from their best album since Awake) is a pretty clear example of the kind of prog metal.

    But a lot of progressive metal I love also tends to flirt with or be derived from tech-thrash, so I also have a bias in terms of sheer aggression and succinctness.
     
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    I really liked a lot of this stuff! You are very helpful - thank you. What country are you from?
    Elvenking, Epica, Helloween Blind Guardian, Heavenly, and Dragonforce resonated with me the most. Those are bands I have heard of before, minus Elvenking, but the tracks you sent me I haven't heard of before. I really liked them! My favorite was Helloween. I see where you got your quote from!
     
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    I am getting a feeling that a lot of this stuff is very 80's. I liked Virgin Steele, the best out of them all. How do you feel about Holy Grail? Very 80's influenced, with a modern twist?
     
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    Well to begin with, I like my Power Metal to be catchy. Give me a good tune and a chorus that sticks in the head.
    It also helps if the singer can actually sing. A lot of second division PM bands are let down by vocalists that sound like they were recorded midway through taking a crap - and it's a real ring-tearer.
    A heavy-duty rythmn section is always a bonus. I don't just mean playing fast. I mean driving the song along.
    And lastly, let the keyboard player - if you have one - duke it out with the guitarists from time to time. I do appreciate a good duel.
     
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    I only like this kind of music when it has balls. I can't stand modern power metal with all the cheesy keyboards and I can't stand directionless, masturbatory progressive metal.
     
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    Can you give some examples? Dueling keyboards - are you a Kalmah fan?
     
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    Ha, I like your honesty.
     
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    Master_Yoda77 True Doom

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    I've never lised to Holy Grail. I was just being a dick for shits and giggles.
     
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    Lol, all good.
     
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    Finality Daimyo Rorenzo-kun

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    Angra is everything I've ever wanted in power metal. They exemplify what I would prefer to hear. They have interesting chord progressions, melodies, and lyrical concepts. It's not the run of the mill shit about dragons, wizards, and epic heroes. I would also suggest listening to their album "Angels Cry" and "Fireworks" as well. Kiko and Raffa shred like no other together, and Andre's voice is very different from what power metal usually entails.
     
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    Xorv Drug the Priest

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    Power metal can get bland at times with the emphasis on orchestra and heavy arrangements a lot of bands tend to sound generic. It's best when the band has a unique sound (such as Angra and the brazilian influences in their music) or a unique/talented vocalist plus song writing ability that has more emphasis on music that will last (Kamelot) vs. a catchy chorus that is fun at first but loses value quick (Sonata Arctica, who I like but a few of their songs fit th description)





     
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  18. Eligos

    Eligos Problem Yet to be Solved

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    In my prog, I like loads of Moog and Mellotron, fretless bass, 12 string guitars, extended grooves, chimes and vibes, shaker loops. Anything that sounds like this:

     
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    Why hasn't anyone mentioned these bands yet:
    Pathfinder,
    Thy Majestie,
    Sabaton,
    Freedom Call,
    Wuthering Heights,
    Balflare,
    Luca Turilli,
    Stratovarius,
    Keldian,
    Ancient Bards,
    Sunrise,
    Celesty.
     
  20. UltimateApathy

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    Here are some links:
    Pathfinder

    Thy Majestie

    Sabaton

    Freedom Call

    Wuthering Heights

    Balflare

    Luca Turilli

    Stratovarius

    Keldian

    Ancient Bards

    Sunrise

    Celesty
     
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