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What do you think about Iconoclast?

Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by clafalc, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. Isaac_de_Moorea

    Isaac_de_Moorea Silent Member

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    You´re not alone :(
     
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    I thought they had only been working on it for the past year and a half or two years or so. Surely they couldn't have started right after PL came out!
     
  3. Platinum Maze

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    I wouldn't even consider myself a "lurker" of this message board anymore, but to me, this album is FLAWLESS. It is already becoming one of my favorite albums of all time.

    Thank you, Symphony X. I am already scared to hear how good the next album will be!!
     
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    The chorus to that song is actually my favorite part. I too want a progier style for their next album but i dont want another DW. Hell i dont even want another V.
     
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    Iconoclast is a great album really. My favourites from it are the title track, When All Is Lost, Heretic and Reign In Madness

    The vocals are particularly performed well in my opinion
     
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    Remember when Iconoclast was supposed to be a concept album about Odin?
     
  7. PurpleDink

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    No....no i do not.
     
  8. donKyle

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    Back before we learned the new album was going to be called Iconoclast, someone posted a wikipedia link which said it was going to be called Infinite Knowledge, a concept album about Odin. There were even track names and lengths! I don't think anyone really believed it, but it was kinda funny
     
  9. SyXified

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    In regard to Pinnella, Rullo, and Lepond needing to be more active in the song writing process, I'm somewhat torn on that notion and not sure that addresses the root of the issue.

    Songwriting credits can be pretty difficult to interpret. Technically speaking a person is supposed to receive writing credits if he added ANYTHING to the (1) lyrics (2) vocal melodies, or (3) chord progressions. That is to say, by those standards, if MJR and Russ come up with the skeleton of a song, Rullo can write all his drum parts, Pinnella can add layers upon layers of synth, and Lepond his bass parts without any of them technically getting writing credits. Additionally, many bands simply come up with agreements between the members to avoid getting into "who did what" battles down the road, and writing credits end up split a bit more by a formula they agreed upon that does not necessary reflect who contributed to what. Once Queen had made enough money to be comfortable they agreed to split all writing credits equally, so who knows who did what. I think there is a good chance some of the older Symphony X albums were written in a slightly more social setting, with the other members dropping in lyric lines or bridge progressions here and there, and that is why you see more band-wide credits on earlier albums.

    That said, I do think MJR and Russ are probably doing far more of the song writing these days, and MJR far and away more than Russ, who is probably just around to work on vocal melodies and lyrics as necessary. Perhaps the other guys wanted more time for their own matters, or it could be that MJR seized control. Generally speaking I think MJR is far and away the most accomplished and well-rounded writer of that group, so I am reluctant to assume that adding the others into the mix would help bring back the "old ways." Pinnella of the three is probably the most capable, but his solo release was a complete snooze-fest.

    I think you're more likely looking at a matter of desire (e.g. why slave over an album like V which is truly appreciated by probably a dozen people when cranking out some cookie-cutter metal brings in more money and a larger crowd), time (roles as husbands and fathers, side projects, extensive touring schedule), or just that the well has gone dry (how many metal bands can you name that released their finest work after album #5?).
     
  10. Isaac_de_Moorea

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    http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Infinite_Knowledge_(Symphony_X)

    :err:
     
  11. _Gentleman of_the Snow_

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    Ummm... Pinnella's solo album is fantastic, and exactly what new SX is missing!

    I also find it terribly unfair that writing credits aren't given to members that write their own tracks. It seems a little ridiculous... but whatcha gonna do?
     
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    Having listened to Iconoclast for quite a bit since the release, my opinion of the album is mostly unchanged. I still think it's a solid, though somewhat disappointing album given the expectations. I've become more fond of the title track and less so with WAIL, and the other tracks get playtime, but I won't actively seek them out.

    I definitely prefer the more progressive side of Symphony X, and it seems that those days are all but gone, but I'll take metal if it's good. It's sad that the album is still fairly new and I'm already waiting for the next album (in 2017 :D). I'm hoping that they take some feedback about the past two albums and get the other band members more involved in the composing/songwriting process.

    As a side note, it's crazy that Symphony X released 6 albums in less time (8 years) than the time spam for Paradise Lost and Iconoclast (9 years).
     
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    The album made one stop at my computer, for ripping, before going to my truck, where the two CDs have been taking turns in my vehicle's CD player since the day the album was released. This pretty much sums up my feelings about the album.
     
  14. Ryan M.

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    I found it to be great. When All is Lost is a great song. :p
     
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  16. Isaac_de_Moorea

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    ^

    That site still had the fictitious tracklist of "Infinite Knowledge" when I checked it before posting it.

    Now it´s gone. Sorry about that :confused:
     
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    If it's any consolation, everyone who participates in recording the tracks gets the same amount of money from the SR stream.

    So MJR probably has to put in a heck of a lot more effort than, say, Lepond, on the recording, but Lepond gets just as much as MJR.

    I'll have to give Pinnella's solo album another listen, but I remember being disappointed to the point that I buried it into the "don't bother with this" pile.
     
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    Pinella's solo album is good if you arn't in the mood to listen to metal.
     
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    I used to think WAIL was the best track on there, but the first 2 minutes kills it. The title track is still awesome the whole way through.
     
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    Iconoclast is unremarkable.

    "Iconoclast", "Children...", and "Dehumanized" are listenable tunes. The rest of the lot range from mediocre on downward. The songwriting is uninspired, the lyrics are trite, and what happened to the progressive element?

    The guitars, while improved from the nail-on-chalkboard sound on PL, sound sterile. The key patches are bland and don't add color to the compositions like on, say, "The Odyssey". The "gruff" vocals are overused to the point where they lose their intended effect.

    It's really a sad thing to say this because five years ago, I would have said, without hesitation, "Symphony X is my favorite band." I'm not even sure they're in the top-ten anymore.
     

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