You're female but wouldn't you agree that moshing and growling is unfeminine? Myself I am trying to learn bellydancing from a video by a woman called Dolphinia, and she moves in such a sensual, seductive and poised way that has to be "feminine" imo. However I think it is learned to some extent, and she's really putting it on. I'm trying to copy it because I think its a good skill. The particular way she smiles though just seems just too much like its directed at trying to seduce, and I think it's a little ridiculous. But that's feminine because it comes more naturally to a woman than a man. Growling suggests an attempt to intimidate - which both male and females have need to do in theory - and both male and females of animals that growl do so. However with the male, their growl is more of a male status thing - to do with rank - while the female growls purely in defense of something like food or themselves or their offspring. This animal parallel will apply to humans as well even though we might not like to admit it. One definate feminine thing is that how female mammals are fertilised by males, get pregnant and lactate. Those are the primary feminine things. No matter what shape a female is in - if she has the biology to fulfil that she is feminine. Extra femininity, I have now decided (!) comes from accentuating those roles in some way - which is not any kind of suggestion that extra femininity is necessarily a good thing, although if it is a trait that increases reproductive success then Nature obviously has rewarded that trait. So if a woman can get a higher quality of mate and more successfully reproduce by belly dancing (for example) than a woman would by growling and moshing, then that could be said to be more feminine behaviour. Any behaviour that increases the female's ability to fulfil the female biological role can be considered feminine. How's that for a definition? And any behaviour that increases the male's ability to fertilise females and maximise the success of his offspring is masculine. Except where the two co-incide. So being a good cook can be masculine in that it charms women (not in all cultures - which is why it is considered feminine in Africa for eg) and cooking is also feminine when a woman does it because she is helping feed her family as well as pleasing her man. As mentioned above there are cultural differences on what is feminine. For some Africans having necks stretched with many hoops or plates inserted in lips is feminine. But really it all comes down to what is considered sexually attractive to the opposite sex and reproductively helpful. So in that case the pink fluffiness and helplessness I mentioned to begin with WOULD BE feminine IF it was really what lured the woman a suitable mate, but not if the mate she has in mind just thinks she's pathetic and goes for a more resourceful and strong woman instead. The latter would be more feminine because she got the man and the babies. And that's the whole point. The least feminine woman is one who can't do any of the following: attract a man; give birth; raise children. But I still think a woman can't be masculine, only that she can be more or less feminine.