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What the fuck America. Just... what the fuck.

Discussion in 'GMD Social Forum' started by False Joe, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. cookiecutter

    cookiecutter Proceed to Ultraslamming

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    I live in Canada because I am student there. I am an American. The government is already deeply involved in health care and those who have government plans (Medicare, VA system) report being the most happy with it. I don't see why it's such a leap for people to accept that it could work on a larger scale.
     
  2. Dak

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    If your idea of government is some sort of daddy figure then I guess that would make sense.
    In the real world, government is a bunch of power hungry people trying to take as much money and power from you and give you as little as possible in return.

    There is no such thing as free. Someone pays for everything. It's a matter of who pays for it. And I honestly don't give a shit about the fat fuck walking around walmart shoveling a big mac in his/her face, pushing a shopping cart full of soda and little debbie's products, and how they can't afford heart surgery at 35.
     
  3. Dak

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    Who cares if the user is happy with it? We are talking about financial viability. Medicare is running on fumes. The VA system is completely different. Veterans actually did something to earn tax dollar support. Someone wasting oxygen popping about babies in the projects does not rate my hard earned money. The VA also has it's own hospitals and care centers.
     
  4. Satanstoenail

    Satanstoenail My Larpstyle determines my Derpstyle

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    I think you're pretty entitled to have this attitude towards people like that, but not all lower income earners are fuck lazy fucks, and tarring everyone with the same brush is never a good idea imo. What about musicians for example? What if your favorite guitarist from your favorite underground metal band needed microsurgery on his hand?
     
  5. Dak

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    No one should be forced to pay for it. Federal/state social services are legalized "robin hooding" (which is theft), no matter how you slice it.

    Edit: Of course not everyone fits that profile, but those are specifically the people that are gonna be the first to jump on Obamacare. I sure as hell won't. My parents live near the poverty level and aren't in favor of it either.
    Oh yeah, they have never taken food stamps or any of the rest of that bullshit either.
     
  6. Pessimism

    Pessimism Endemic Vagabond

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    ^Well, be sure to share my congratulations with them.

    For many others who didn't receive the opportunity for bettering themselves in any way shape and form (in a career/educational system that is), I'm sure they can just man up some more and soldier on. KI mean, it's not like their taxes (no matter how little) add up to dick anyway - am I right guys?
     
  7. optionthree

    optionthree Better than the first two

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    That's a very broad generalization. Certainly public enterprises have less incentive to be efficient than private ones, but that doesn't mean all public establishments are failures. Universal health care exists in Canada, France, the UK, and numerous other countries and it works there, so I don't see why it's necessarily destined to fail in the US. Health insurances companies are far from model businesses themselves, anyways.
     
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    Amen brother.

    Hmmm...I wonder why that is.
     
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    cookiecutter Proceed to Ultraslamming

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    Efficiency and profitability should not be the only things considered when people's health is at stake.
     
  10. zabu of nΩd

    zabu of nΩd Free Insultation

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    Closet Nazis
     
  11. Einherjar86

    Einherjar86 Active Member

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    Grant! Welcome back friend.
     
  12. zabu of nΩd

    zabu of nΩd Free Insultation

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    *waves*

    Guess I have been a bit of a stranger lately. I'll try to work on that.

    Andy told me this place has been shit lately tho.
     
  13. Eligos

    Eligos Problem Yet to be Solved

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    Just a bit.
     
  14. False Joe

    False Joe Who cares.

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    It's in a quality recession.


    I'm probably not helping.
     
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    We aren't talking about profitability, we are talking about sustainability. Operating in the red is not sustainable. The US obviously hasn't figured that out yet.

    Edit: Welcome back VG. Listen to that mix yet?

    Edit #2:

    Got this in a FWD, scary :p

     
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    The problem is the U.S. federal government's waste far exceeds the greed of private health insurance companies. For instance, for every dollar spent on actual health care, the largest health insurance companies spend ~16-18 cents on advertising, administration and profit while Medicare spends 26.9 cents/dollar on administration. When you also consider the $34 trillion in unfunded Medicare liabilities (it's become a huge Ponzi scheme), it becomes an exercise in madness to even consider a public option or universal health care in the U.S.

    Personally, I blame Johnson's Social Security Act for our shambling health care. There was no real need for health insurance before Johnson's 'Great Society'.
     
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    Base Delta Zero Senior Meatbag

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    Does anyone know whether or not the 10% fee could be waived for prematurely cashing out an IRA for health care expenses? I know the IRS will waive the fee under extenuating circumstances. If so, that would be an ideal alternative to health insurance. Even with the 10% fee and taxes, it would most likely be ideal.

    Edit - Nevermind. I completely forgot about Roth IRA's. Derrr...
     
  18. King Richard

    King Richard Against the wind...

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    lol
     
  19. Black Orifice

    Black Orifice Vein-Marbled Tower

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    Isn't mainstream media funny? I love how everybody against the healthcare movement and many of the Obama policies is depicted as either an idiot or some redneck that stands there yelling "I wunt ma cuntry back!" Fox News is also equally amusing for doing the exact opposite.

    Out of curiosity, have any of you even read the bill? I've actually read a decent amount of it and most of it doesn't even pertain to healthcare. There's actually one section in it stating that police can randomly come to your house and pretty much search it to "make sure you're raising your children correctly." 1984, amiright?

    As for the Nazi shit, did you all forget who said that the people at these townhall meetings were like Nazis and may as well have swastika's on themselves? I believe it was that elitist cunt, Pelosi. BTW, Hitler was actually one of the first who attempted to set up a socialized healthcare system. He was also an animal rights activist and one of the reasons why he created Volkswagen was to cut carbon emissions. Anyways, I digress. Bottomline, try actually looking into a subject before trying to defend your stance on it. Maybe you could also check out both of the sides of view and maybe even stray in the middle but I'd be careful about going there. I would go on and on about why I oppose the bill but I really don't feel like putting the energy into doing it. Hell, I dreaded typing this much.


    Oh and the military and VA system works because it's not serving 300 fucking million people.
     
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    You're a fucking moron. I just wanted to make sure that was stated.
     

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