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whats the difference between thrash and speed metal?

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by genocide roach, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. genocide roach

    genocide roach DOOOOOOOOOOM

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    ive never been able to pin down the difference between thrash and speed metal. can anyone clear this up for me?
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  2. Oceanic Motion

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    I dont think there is a difference. I'm pretty sure that nowadays they're one and the same.
     
  3. Profanity

    Profanity The Post Master

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    Thrash is more agressive in delivery and uses more distortion. Thrash has a more intense drum sound.
     
  4. Dead Winter

    Dead Winter Not faggoty deathcore

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    This is correct. A primary example of a typical thrash metal album is Slayer's "Reign in Blood". An example of the quintessential speed metal album would be Metallica's "Master of Puppets". Thrash has a more abrasive sound...riffs are everywhere and usually has more change-ups within the song. Speed metal kinda has a flow to it, more of a direction if you will.
     
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    Most thrash can be referred to as speed metal too, but you can't really say that most speed metal can be referred to as thrash. For example, early Blind Guardian and early Helloween is speed metal, but it is not thrash. It is less agressive, less dark, and cleaner sounding than thrash. However, early Metallica, Testament, Anthrax, Megadeth, etc. can be referred to as speed metal, but it is definitely thrash.
     
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    chemicalburn Banned in 40 Countries!

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    I always thought of them as pretty much one in the same.
     
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    so by this logic is thrash basically a 'nastier' version of speed metal?

    where do bands like motorhead and the exploited fit here ive heared of them being reffered to as thrash is this a different understanding of the genre or ....
     
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    I agree with Lifesucks' description.


    Regardless, Motorhead and Accept were proto-thrash. Their raw delivery and faster tempos were really the blueprint for early thrash. But...it's not all they did. In Motorhead's case they also wrote many bluesy songs, and of course much midtempo stuff. The "proto-thrash" numbers of theirs would have been stuff like "Overkill", "The Hammer" for example. Heavy on double bass, and far from clean guitar tone. With Accept, "Fast As a Shark" is prime proto-thrash. In their case too they played other styles too, much mid-tempo pounding. Metallica were really the first all-thrash/speed band, as that's pretty much all they did. You can see them call Motorhead a huge influence in many early interviews.
     
  9. ffanatic

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    I've always thought the difference the emphasis on melody. Like thrash and speed sound similar but speed has more of an emphasis on melody, particularly in the vocals (sing-along chorus structure, stuff like that), whereas thrash does not.
     
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    colombiannecktie1334 New Metal Member

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    Thrash is heavily influenced by hardcore punk & much dirtier than speed metal, which is traditional metal played really fast.
     
  11. DEEK

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    Hm, i used to think that there wasn't a difference. Then i thought that 'thrash' was used to describe the more 'technical' bands, and 'speed' the less technical. Now, i have no idea, heh.
     
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    None_So_Vile Malign Paradigm

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    Ive always thought they were just two different names for the same thing really, ah well, whatever
     
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    ffanatic Pleonexian Antigenesis

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    That could very well be. I'm quite confused after reading this thread.
     
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    Helvete Solid Swedish Metal

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    My opinon on this matter is as follows:

    Speed Metal is fast heavymetal with clean vocals.
    Thrash is fast heavymetal with a little bit ruffer vocals and more riffchanges.

    I consider Anthrax - Spreading the Disease and Judas Priest - Painkiller as speed metal.
    And Sodom - Agent Orange and Metallica - Kill `Em All as thrash.
     
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    ^That says it.

    Iron Maiden - Aces High also counts as speed metal, whereas The Crown and Sepultura, definitely thrash.
     
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    In the mid 70s, heavy metal started getting very fast.
    Bands to play faster such as Judas Priest and Motorhead were the first of these fast heavy metal bands.
    They invented what would be known as speed metal.
    Speed metal has a very fast, all out sound. The songs built on nothing but speed.
    In the early 80s, bands like Accept and Anvil added more melodic it's to it, and other bands like Metallica and Megadeth made it more complicated and technical, and much more aggressive.
    This more aggressive speed metal is called thrash metal.
    It is thrashy.

    Listen to a song like Exciter by Judas Priest.
    Listen to any early Megadeth or Metallica song, that is thrash metal.

    The proper term for thrash metal is speed metal, so it would be better to just call them all speed metal.
    Groove metal is also similar, but it is the thrashy speed metal that they call thrash metal slowed down.
    Like Pantera.
     
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    Thanks for clearing up this issue that was already answered 11 years ago
     
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    For a moment, I thought ~gR~ was back :(

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  20. no country for old wainds

    no country for old wainds TREES DON'T PAY TAXES

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    the anus guys always used to argue that 'thrash' was a separate entity from speed metal rooted more in hardcore, led by the likes of DRI, CoC, suicidal tendencies etc. they grouped all the bands we tend to consider thrash staples under the banner of speed metal. i was never really sure if this had historical basis, terminology-wise, or they were just being provocative.

    anyways, i've never found 'speed metal' to be a particularly interesting or useful genre definition - it's more like halfway-house between heavy/power and thrash than a distinct movement. that said, the likes of agent steel and exciter are definitive examples of what's commonly referred to as 'speed metal'.
     

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