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Who you leaning towards in the 2016 Presidential Election?

Discussion in 'RC' started by Reign in Acai, Jul 23, 2015.

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Who will take over the reigns of shitting on this nation?

  1. The Donald

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  2. Mrs. Benghazi

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  3. Nemtheanga

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  4. Who gives a fuck?

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  5. Commie Sanders

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  6. Colonel Sanders

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  7. Chafee Scrotum

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  8. Ali Abidi

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  9. Uncle Jeb

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  10. Uncle Ben Carson

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  11. Rand Paul

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  12. Ayn Rand

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  13. Four Eyed Perry

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  14. Fatboy from Jersey

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  15. Gaahl

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  16. Haughm

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  17. O'Malley

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  18. Darth Vader

    16.7%
  19. The Man in the Yellow Hat

    5.6%
  20. Tony Wakeford's retarded grandchild

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  1. dorian gray

    dorian gray Returning videotapes

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    Education is a wonderful thing but the method we have of obtaining it is a total fucking scam. Colleges and Universities are one of the biggest jokes of all time. I think there is a high likelihood that particular colleges are a necessity for getting certain jobs (e.g. the Supreme Court lol) but for everything else....fuck it. People who strive to go to the most expensive schools possible for degrees like art appreciation and communication and then complain they cant pay their loans back can kiss my ass. I chose to do something I LOATHE so I can put food on the table and have a reliable job. And I have tons of debt to show for it. And I pay it back one month at a time without complaint.
     
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    dorian gray Returning videotapes

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    I'm really crotchety today

    *shakes fist*
     
  3. J.

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    good showing by Trump. 7 states. Cruz takes Texas of course, because my brethren here are fucking idiots.

    i have a feeling that even if Trump were to get enough delegates, the GOP would still try to block him
     
  4. General Zod

    General Zod Ruler of Australia

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    I suspect that if combined the other candidates have nearly as many (or more) delegates combined than Trump the GOP will have a brokered convention and the nomination will go to someone other than Trump. Of course this would likely leading to Trump running as an independent and splitting the Right of the country and producing a President Clinton. Personally, I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Despite the fact that I am not a fan, the thought of a President Cruz or Trump is completely terrifying.
     
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    dorian gray Returning videotapes

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    I am more terrified that you qualify Hillary for party line reasons rather than disqualifying Trump or Cruz with reason. I can write an essay on Hillary. Tell the why behind Cruz? Trump is more complicated, but look at his recent healthcare plan release. It's beautiful.
     
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    With what? Republicans scare you and you should vote for democrats indiscriminately? TL:DR.
     
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    I think a lot of hillary supporters just hope that bill will actually run things. Shes the one that scares me.
     
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    dorian gray Returning videotapes

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    I just agree with whatever Zod says
     
  10. General Zod

    General Zod Ruler of Australia

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    I'm well aware of Hillary's baggage. However, the simple truth is she is by FAR the most qualified candidate and better prepared to step into that job Day 1. I fully anticipate a Hillary presidency would be much like an Obama 3rd term. And while that wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, it's the best realistic option.

    I'm actually surprised you're asking for a "why" behind Cruz. Reason #1, Cruz is a true believer. He wants to remake America as a Christian nation and sees the world through his Dominionist prism. He's on the wrong side of nearly every political issue. He's pro-life, insanely pro-gun, pro-flat tax and pro-death penalty. He's against gay marriage and providing a path to citizenship. He's a climate-change denier, which means he doesn't understand the basics of the scientific method. He is disliked within even his own party and I've never met anyone who could look directly at Ted Cruz for more than 6 seconds without wanting to punch him in the face. In the end, I can't support anyone who turns to religion over science.
     
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    Based on what? Being in the political machine for half a century is not an accomplishment. It’s not even a job. It only shows her dedication to manipulating people.

    Unchallenged leftism will do that to a person.

    Whether you like it or not, western civilization was predicated on Judeo-Christian beliefs. Even Nietzsche argued that the removal of God would lead to the deterioration of traditional values and principles. I know you hate the concept of God, but your comfortable life is the product of those that believed.

    Are these the most important things to you? You’re so hung up on ripping babies from wombs, stripping guns from lawful owners, against a tax system that makes everyone have skin in the game, and for pouring money into prison systems to keep abominable human beings alive in a cell that you would vote for one of the most disgusting and corrupt politicians today? By the way, what does insanely pro gun even mean? Is he handing out guns to third graders?

    Gay marriage? The purpose of marriage in government is to provide benefits to those that contribute something to society (i.e. a child or future tax payer). What does a gay couple give to society? I really think it’s more-so an attempt to spit in the faces of Christians than to actually help anyone. Government shouldn't be involved in this at all either way.

    And climate change? Even if he denies it, what could the government do to stop it? Put up some wind turbines? How about nuclear power? It’s cheap…but maybe it’s terrifying to you as well.

    What is the function of government?
     
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    You fucked up, Zod.
     
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    I really do need to tone it down. Horses held. I'm done :)
     
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    Dude just just looks like an asshole
     
  16. Reign in Acai

    Reign in Acai Gnats before thy gums

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    Already sick to death of politics. I need month long sabbaticals from this bullshit. :erk:
     
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    Looks are irrelevant.
     
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    If you judge a candidate based solely on their experiences, as you would most job applicants, I believe her resume reads more impressively than those of her opponents.

    It's worth pointing out I'm not a Hillary supporter. The wife and I have been donating to the Sanders' campaign. That said, I will vote for Hillary over ANY of the remaining four GOP options.

    I'm not sure by what form of telepathy you've determined my "Leftism" is "unchallenged", but feel free to challenge it as much as you like.

    History would disagree. Much of what you would consider "Judeo-Christian beliefs" were codified centuries prior by the Babylonians and other cultures.

    Nietzsche also wrote, “God is dead.” Regardless, I’m not sure why you’re attributing any level of authority to Nietzsche.

    As for the “the deterioration of traditional values”, I’m not sure what those values are. The vast majority of Christians support the GOP, who regularly favors military action, cutting funding the poor and elderly, dismantling protections to the planet and ensuring unimpeded access to weapons. Conversely, the party whose tent includes the greatest number of non-religious looks to avoid war, to better legislate access to weapons, and to help the poor. Morality exists in spite of religion, not because of it.

    Feel free to suppose about my beliefs anything you like. However, I do not "hate the concept of god". Within my atheism I leave open the possibility of a prime mover.

    As to what makes my life comfortable, I’ll reserve those kudos for the scientists and engineers responsible for designing my modern comforts.

    It's these positions on which the candidates are often the most transparent. And it's these same issues which are often the most telling indicators of how candidates will respond to more nuanced issues. If a candidate does not believe in science, if he views foreign policy through the prism of bronze age mythology, if he sees immigration through a lens of xenophobia, than most of his decision-making is going to be guided by that insular thinking. So while those are not the only important issues for me or even the most important issues for me, they do work as a fairly reliable filter.

    As these comments are completely juvenile, I'm going to pass on justifying them with a response.

    By "insanely pro-gun" I refer to those people who can look at what happened in Sandy Hook and ultimately view it as an acceptable level of collateral damage, so long as their access to firearms does not become "well regulated".

    It's worth noting that I am a gun owner, so I'm not anti-gun. I simply believe our access to guns should be legislated more effectively.

    Your argument is internally inconsistent, as reproduction doesn't necessitate marriage.

    I wasn't aware a couple is required to give anything to society to warrant being awarded a marriage license.

    If a politician denies climate change he does so for one of two reasons. One, he doesn't believe in science. Two, he's in bed with the extraction industry and cares more about lining his pocket than poisoning the planet. Either option is troubling.

    As for what government could do to stop it, is that a serious question? How about not fighting wars over oil? Not subsidizing the extraction industry? Regulation? Carbon tax plans? Subsidizing green energy? Passing laws that necessitate more green energy use?

    Whether or not you agree with any of those ideas is ultimately irrelevant to your question. There are many, MANY things government could do to impact the outcomes if they were so inclined.

    That's an open-ended question and ultimately dependent on what type of government.
     
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    I don't think there's any legitimate proposed legislation that would have made Sandy Hook not occur
     
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    If you genuinely need to ask why Cruz terrifies me, perhaps your rightism has been left unchallenged.

    Where would I even begin with Cruz? Setting aside for a moment that I disagree with him on almost every issue, he’s a Dominionist Christian, who was raised by a religious zealot, and his campaign is currently being funded by the Keep the Promise SuperPAC. He had a deluded vision that America was a Christian nation and it desperately needs to return to those ideals. I fear the idea of any man having access to “the button” who sees the world through the prism of religion.

    I hope that’s not to suggest that conservative thinking isn’t (at best) equally insular. For the record, I do like to listen to the handful of conservative voices I respect to ensure my thinking doesn’t become limited.

    No worries. It’s the same carte blanche I give all people on the internet who’ve never met me.

    The word “Benghazi” must ring some sort of collective conservative clitoris. It’s equal parts amazing and appalling that Hillary has spent more time answering for four deaths than the Bush administration has spent answering for 7,000 dead American soldiers and over a million wounded.

    Babylonians, Sumerians, etc. Google it if you’re truly interested. Much has been documented about where the Old Testament took its ideas from. Be it the Old or New Testament, many of the codes and beliefs were “borrowed” from other cultures.

    Russian and Irish. My thoughts on Christianity mostly stem from having been a Christian for a period of time, having witnessed the frightening amount of circular reasoning necessary to justify the belief system, having consequently done an intense amount of reading on the topic, then having come out the other end of it an atheist. And while my atheism was more militant when I first landed there, my position on religion has evolved to one of “live and let live”. That said, I admittedly have zero tolerance for people trying to legislate their beliefs or stifling science when it fails to align with their religious texts.

    My point about you referencing Nietzsche is that it felt like little more than an appeal to authority. Nietzsche doesn’t speak for all atheists, nor are his philosophies anything but his philosophies.

    If I can grab two trophies, why shouldn’t I try?

    While I understand why you might see it that way, my point was not intended to conflate the two arguments. The two points overlapping is due more to the nature of trying to have a discussion within this format. I’ll attempt to better explain.

    There’s this strongly held belief on the Right that they own the moral high ground on all things. However, this argument seems flawed (at best) given their Hawkish views on diplomacy, their unwillingness to stem the flow of guns, their desire to constantly cut welfare and social security, their denial of global warming, and their unending quest to lower taxes on the rich. It seems highly unlikely Jesus would support any of these positions.

    With regard to Cruz being a “true believer”, I’ve found that Christians generally fall into two major groups; those who are “spiritual” about their beliefs and those who take a scriptural view of the world. I see Cruz as the latter type. As such, I believe he will be especially dangerous on the foreign policy front.

    I’m not even sure where to begin, given how demonstratively absurd your statement is. For starters, as I pointed out earlier, the core ideas you ascribe to Christian morality are not originally Christian. Second, and this is offered really more as an aside, science has been making interesting inroads that seem to indicate our morality is inborn and possibly not even limited to humans. Third, your holy texts either advocate or justify everything from rape and incest, to infanticide and genocide, to slavery and stoning. The notion that the foundations of the Judeo-Christian ethos is moral is both historically and scripturally untrue.

    Evidence please.

    If the left didn’t want to see the poor rise above their circumstances, why would the left push to make college free for all? The left has taken up cause after cause to make college more attainable and affordable to the poor, all the while being fought by the right at every turn. In the history of the world, no one trying to repress a people did so by fighting to educate them. And in that light, if you can’t see how your point is purely the product of the conservative thought bubble, I don’t know what else to say to you.
     

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