So I guess this is going to be more or less an open discussion on the ethics of our relationship to animals, but the idea to start a discussion was spurred by a few recent things. The other day, I was watching the Daily Show and they reported on this: http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/...or-violating-orcas-constitutional-rights.aspx There are so many things wrong with this that it makes my head spin. For one thing, as someone pointed out - if we treat Orca Wales as legal humans, do we charge them with murder for killing people (which they do on occasion)? For another - they get so worked up about exploitation that they themselves go ahead and exploit the deaths of every black American who fought to get the 13th amendment passed with this stupid publicity platform (it's black history month and it seems that press for this suit is at a high right now as the Daily Show's report noted)? I am all for animal welfare, and I really do think that alot of what goes on in terms of the mass commercialism of animals is appalling beyond words - but do these groups really help the cause by acting like idiots? Over the summer, I read an interview with Rikki Rockett from Poison in which he declared all Zoos as profit schemes. Why can't there be NORMAL activist groups who fight against the abusers without painting broad strokes over everything in their wake - doing more damage than actually helping? Why can't these people be sane for a change?