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You'd think after 11 years I'd figure this shit out faster.... (valuable tip inside)

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Glenn Fricker, Dec 7, 2009.

  1. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    Hey all,

    The short version: I purchased a Mesa Recto cab at the beginning of 2008, and it sounded great. However, it had a slight tear in the grill cloth that would buzz & rattle. Then, to add insult to injury, I blew the best speaker in the cab while showing off how great it sounded to a client.... not so smart on my part, I can admit it... :)

    Anyway, the cab was still under warranty, so I had it replaced with a new one... only problem was, it didn't sound anywhere nearly as good. I tried everything with this cab: Bias adjustments on the amp, different overdrive pedals, mic configurations, mic different spots on the best speakers, you name it... I've literally got pages & pages of notes. Still, it didn't sound as good as the first one.

    So I bought another 4X12 from a different manufacturer, and the Mesa has been sitting there for the last 5 months, unused. I was seriously considering selling it, or trading it for something else... maybe even a new Mesa cab that sounded good.

    Then, this morning, I had an idea. My best ideas always come in the morning while my head is clear.

    ...and that idea was so simple, it was downright stupid not to try it ages ago: Check the back of the cabinet to see if the screws are tight. After all, it's a closed back cabinet & needs that rigid back for the thing to work correctly.

    Well, wouldn't you know, I could go 1-2 revolutions on every single screw.[​IMG]

    So, I plugged in my 5150, cranked it up, and wouldn't you know.. it sounds better. A bigger bottom end, and a smoother, more extended top end. ...Like a Mesa cab SHOULD sound like. Fuck.

    I've included several samples of the step by step evaluation process. Please excuse the horrible AC/DC ripoff riff, I was playing Rock Band 2 with the wife & couldn't get the damn riff out of my head!

    All the single 57 clips have the mic in the same position.

    Before - SINGLE 57 NO EQ, LOOSE SCREWS
    After - SINGLE 57 NO EQ, screws tightened
    Single 57 with some EQ, after tightening
    57 with 421 off axis, eq and compression in mud zone


    So, the lesson here: If your tone sucks, you might have a screw loose. Don't forget to check.
     
  2. Brandon E.

    Brandon E. Member

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    Wow, thats really a huge difference haha! The tone in the after clips fucking slays
     
  3. Loren Littlejohn

    Loren Littlejohn Lover of all boobage.

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    That would have driven me fucking crazy.
     
  4. 53Crëw

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    Glad you got it figured out, Glenn. Excuse me while I go check the screws on my Mesa cab..... LOL.
     
  5. Waterboy

    Waterboy  Certified iPod Trainer

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    Very good input, sir.
    thank you for sharing that with us.
    Keep up the great work!

    Scott
     
  6. Trevoire520

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    Sometimes it really is the less immediately obvious things. Good to hear that your mesa is now running as it should.

    Just out of curiosity, what was the other 4x12" you bought? And now that you've got the Mesa sorted, will it be staying?
     
  7. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    Engl Pro cab. Yes, I'll be keeping both. Nothing like a little variety!
     
  8. Machinated

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    cheers for the tip glenn!

    just checked my cabs, and the some of the mesa ones were a bit loose - the marshall ones were already tight as hell though
     
  9. slashvanyoung

    slashvanyoung Dopefish lives!

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    So they didn't tighten the screws when they changed the blown speaker? Or did you change it yourself, which would be pretty ironic... ;)

    But seriously, who would have thought about.
     
  10. Nebulous

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    I think he meant that the whole cab was replaced.

    I did this to my Framus a while ago. Didn't notice a change :(
     
  11. Ola Englund

    Ola Englund Only gay in the village

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    Hmm gonna check the screws on all my cabs now... The difference was pretty apparent from the clips.
    Thanks!
     
  12. Ermz

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    Fuck me, that difference is huge. You instantly gained a ton of fidelity and meat.

    Premonition: New Sneap forum trend called the 'Fricker Screw Mod'.
     
  13. J.DavisNJ

    J.DavisNJ \m/

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    Huge change...nice. Glenn, for some reason the last link just brings me to your homepage..?

    -Joe
     
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    Holy shit.. it's hard to believe that world of difference was because of loose screws. That being said, great tip!
     
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    I can't help but imagine Glenn spending hours and hours with the cab and finally saying "Oh, screw you!" :lol:

    Big difference, indeed.
     
  16. mick thompson

    mick thompson AKA: Ross Canpolat! SM!

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    v. big difference in tonalities there - going to go check my marshalls
     
  17. PhilTheBeard

    PhilTheBeard "The Beard"

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    How do you like the engl pro cab? and also great tip i'm going to try that one both my mesa cabs when i get off work today.
     
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    ahjteam Anssi Tenhunen

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    Huge difference here ! Thanks for sharing this !
     
  20. Chris_P_Critter

    Chris_P_Critter Freeze Tag Assassin

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    I want clips of your reaction after you had realized that the screw was the issue all along. :lol:

    +1 to the Fricker Screw Mod :headbang:
     

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