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2012 Presidential election thread

Discussion in 'GMD Social Forum' started by Peter Joseph, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. Black Orifice

    Black Orifice Vein-Marbled Tower

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    The rally was mostly filled with college students, so I suppose yes, but only to a certain extent. They may not be working, but they are practicing a productive alternative. There were plenty of older, presumably middle class, people there too.
     
  2. monoxide_child

    monoxide_child New Metal Member

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    can america please have a democrat president for the next 30 years please
     
  3. King Richard

    King Richard Against the wind...

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    Yeap, now I know you're retarded. I was on the fence with pretty much everything else you've posted lately, but now it's confirmed. Stop posting please.
     
  4. Krigloch the Furious

    Krigloch the Furious Pants full of poo

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  5. Dak

    Dak mentat

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    He already singlehandedly trolled the Philosophy subforum to silence.
     
  6. monoxide_child

    monoxide_child New Metal Member

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    what the fucking hell is retarded about the idea of having a democrat president??? it's not like a republican president is actually going to fix any of america's problems that were caused by the last 3 republican presidents
    really?
    that was me?
    i'm responsible for the philosophy forum being silent?
    which btw i didn't even notice
     
  7. zabu of nΩd

    zabu of nΩd Free Insultation

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    The democrats are just as corrupt as the republicans. They take legitimate issues like health care and global warming and transform them into schemes to suck money out of consumers and transfer them to corrupt businesses. Also, Obama has carried the torch on all of the worst "national security" injustices of the Bush years (Patriot Act, indefinite detention, extraordinary rendition, etc.) and added a few new ones (NDAA and whatever that bill is to allow Americans suspected of terrorism to lose their citizenship).

    tldr: if you support either of the major parties, you're a victim of misinformation and should probably watch less TV news.
     
  8. Dak

    Dak mentat

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  9. Thralldom

    Thralldom Winter of My Bliss

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    I'm going to vote for myself.
     
  10. monoxide_child

    monoxide_child New Metal Member

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    i actually understand and agree with what you're saying,
    i never meant to say that democrat = really awesome
    i just meant to say that democrat >>> republican
    and also that the president is going to be one or the other, a third party president is really never going to happen
     
  11. zabu of nΩd

    zabu of nΩd Free Insultation

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    You really shouldn't make any general assumption that a given democrat is any better than a given republican. You have to look carefully at each person you vote for and whether they're known for accepting a lot of donations from businesses (a.k.a. corruption).

    Also, assuming a third party president will never happen is just one of the many excuses people make to justify their political apathy. If more people gave a shit and started supporting organizations that are trying to reform the system (in my case i support a group called Americans Elect, and i'm also working on my own website project), we could eventually have meaningful choices in the elections.
     
  12. monoxide_child

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    again
    paying attention
    a third party president is never going to happen
    if you think a third party president will ever happen, i've got some ocean-side arizona property i'll sell you
     
  13. zabu of nΩd

    zabu of nΩd Free Insultation

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    I already pointed out some of the terrible shit that's happened under an Obama white house and Democrat controlled congress (subversion of the push for health care and environmental reform + worsening of the "national security" police state).

    I don't remember much about past presidents, but iirc Bill Clinton helped make NAFTA possible, which seems to have amounted to selling out our standard of living to outsource our jobs to cheaper countries.

    So yeah, you've got some explaining to do if you want to convince me that you're not just a partisan puppet.
     
  14. monoxide_child

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    the "terrible" under Obama wasn't really more than just obama sucking at trying to fix the crappiness of how bush jr fucked up the country

    the american unemployment rate under bill clinton's administration was the lowest it had been in bill clinton's lifetime

    the "outsourcing epidemic" was bush sr and bush jr
     
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    Yeah, an unemployment rate drop in no small part to changes in changes in methods of calculation and the tech bubble.

    The budget deficit, already having skyrocketed under GWB, was inflated again under Obama, and corporate welfare abounded.

    Corporatists, all of them.
     
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    i still stand by this
     
  17. zabu of nΩd

    zabu of nΩd Free Insultation

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    So in other words you're just going to ignore everything the democrats are doing to destroy our economy and democracy, and pretend they're worth supporting just because "the republicans are worse".

    Please don't vote.
     
  18. Thralldom

    Thralldom Winter of My Bliss

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    Voting for what you view as the lesser of two evils is a logical decision. Maybe you should take your own advice.
     
  19. zabu of nΩd

    zabu of nΩd Free Insultation

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    I suggested that he not vote because he seems to be too blinded by partisan ideology to think critically about who he votes for.

    Voting for the lesser of two evils is logical in the context of our worthless election system, but what's more logical is to support organizations working for reform. The amount of time and effort most people waste following the Presidential race is staggering compared to how little people spend doing things that actually matter like participating in new projects or spreading the word about new legislature that needs to be stopped.

    Examples of what i'm talking about:
    http://www.americanselect.org/
    https://www.eff.org/action

    I'm not trying to solicit here, but if you think i am then do your own research and find other websites worth using/supporting. This is the kind of stuff that matters, not the stupid Presidential race.
     
  20. monoxide_child

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    actually
    yes
     

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