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A song for project using Sturgis Samples

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by GearMan2point0, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. GearMan2point0

    GearMan2point0 Musician/Engineer

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    Hey guys,

    I did this song, using Dorsia Toms and Emerald cymbals. I made this clip, and I really like the mix so far. I wrote the song. I used a lot of Joey's tips he gave plus added a lot using my ears. I used Cali Diamond plate with tubescreamer in podfarm for guitars but I also used Line6 bottom for more lows. I used Podfarm for bass also. tell me what you guys think


    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19450618/Epic Means Nothing.mp3

    edit: For choir and Violin I used Mixcraft's Choir Vox thing.
     
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    Sounds sick man :)
    The guitars low end sounds rad, just sounds like it could use a little more meat, not sure how though!

    Mix balance sounds great IMO
    Keep up the good work man
     
  3. GearMan2point0

    GearMan2point0 Musician/Engineer

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    I am vegetarian man. I really like the tone though, but more meat eh? I have no idea how to fix that =O any suggestions?
     
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    Mix sounds nice man...

    I think what one day meant is the guitars are a little back in the mix the and they don't have that wow effect that for examples joeys have...

    What'd your bus for the guitars look like?

    Are the drums programmed DFH?
     
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    GearMan2point0 Musician/Engineer

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    the drums are beatcraft, but I used multi samples for each cymbal like......4-5 for each at different velocities. I replaced the kick, toms and snare. The guitar chain is....
    Waves Q1 low pass, TSL saturater, Waves Q1 hi pass....that is it
     
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    No:
    -Kick: Kick 10 (Steven Slate Drums)
    -Snare (not sure about that): Snare 12a (Steven Slate Drums)
    -Toms: Dorsia
    -Cymbals: Emerald ( Asking Alexandria Kit-Joey Sturgis)

    Am I right?

    For DFH you're probably on the wrong forum. :p

    Nice mix, though!
     
  7. GearMan2point0

    GearMan2point0 Musician/Engineer

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    haha not kick 10, and not snare 12a, but yes toms are right and cymbals are right. snare is loose skin off some website, and kick is, well I dont remember
     
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    cymbals are washed out... everything sounds muddy.

    the snare (quality) is almost inaudible and i think more importantly the whole mix has very little body.

    recommendation:

    - compress more of everything
    - subtractive eq on the guitar and cymbals

    i think everything is "even" it's just that there is no significant characteristic that makes much of an impact.
     
  9. GearMan2point0

    GearMan2point0 Musician/Engineer

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    timislegend, thank you for the feedback. I know what you mean. Cymbals do sound a little thin to me and maybe I did scoop out too much. I do however disagree with the eq problem with the guitar, I strongly feel it sounds good, but that is my taste. I don't really like the snare sample I am using to be honest, so I will most likely be changing that. I did however, add some brightness earlier and got rid of the muddiness and I did bring up the cymbals a little more. I need to compress the kick though, it kinda seems a little weird. thanks guys
     
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    GearMan2point0 Musician/Engineer

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    Definitely sounds a lot would love to hear a generous amount of verb and delay on the snare during the break down...

    Guitars sounds more in your face... if you dont mind me asking what kind of guitar did you use to make the recording?

    what type of compressor(s) are you using?
     
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    I used my BC Warlock Gold Series....amazing guitar I gotta say. I use C1 comp, and reverb?? that is funny, I was going to do that but completely forgot, I usually always do that on the beefy breakdowns. Thanks for the reminder
     
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    I liked the first mix better than the 2nd one, the 2nd mix the low end on the bass guitar is all over the place. The 1st mix was more controlled. Snare definitely needs to come up in both of them though
     
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    hmm, so I need to find a balance between the brightness and keeping the bass fit....I think I may have a solution....
     
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    are you insinuating that you cannot get good grooves and/or create a CD/Label Worthy recording with DFH?
     
  17. GearMan2point0

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    I am sure you can, but its just a modern thing, DFH is kinda limited date wise, but I am sure with the right tools you can make them sound great. I personally like them for certain styles, its all about taste and opinion. I prefer live drums, just don't have the "good" drum mics yet. I would love to hear Joey try it, I know he doesn't really like the sound, but it would nice to just hear his take at it. I think he could do more than he thinks with it.
     
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    Yes and No... Actually I said this because this is a Joey Sturgis forum and he is
    popular for using the Steven Slate's stuff. Though, I think that EzDrummer isn't a good choice for professional recording,
    because it's only the easy (=Ez) version of Superior Drummer 2.0, which is way better than DFH.
    And I don't really like the sound of DFH, because I think it sounds very fake.
     
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    He actually has used them... there's a thread in the sneap forum where a band came in to do a song and for whatever reason they did not... so they did a killswitch cover and for the drums for the cover he used DF...

    But I concur I do think its limited if you don't know what your doing...

    You should listen to that killswitch cover or do a search and listen to tracks in which bands or artists have used exclusively DFH...

    OR HERE'S AN IDEA... look up musicman1066 on you tube his tracks are all dfh and I think they sound really good... considering he's not and engineer/producer
     
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    yeah I have heard it before when I was considering DFH. I agree with ya, there are people who can take someone hitting a box with a stick and make it sound decent. There is a lot you can do these days with all these effects and plug ins. Cheers to technology! :kickass:
     

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