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About me leaving Bloodbath

Discussion in 'Bloodbath' started by Dan Swanö, Aug 2, 2006.

  1. Heavenscent

    Heavenscent FUCKIN' YAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!

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    My guess was that there might actually be someone at the label who likes their stuff and talks into them.
    I don't think the Bloodbath guys are puppets on strings, far from it. But good conversations go a long way. Believe it or not, there are actually people working for the label. It's not an abstract concept.
     
  2. Baletempest

    Baletempest Singer of Strange Songs

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    Jinn:
    a) Its not a love of msuic that makes you boycott an album you haven't even heard. It will still be Stockholm Death Metal, the slight (albeit noticalbe) variations between songs are not the only thing that makes a band good and since the bands core sound will not change then yes you are just being a fanboy.
    b) Strange, I sort of knew that Metallica were a bit bit to be compared to Bloodbath, although IIRC I did mention 2 other examples in Therion and The Gathering... bands that also have day jobs and don't make millions.
    c) Your band may have 12 fans but Bloodbath have about 12000, your opinion or even the opinion of 1/10 of them isn't a lot in real terms.
    d) If they cared what the populace at large thought they'd probably sound like Nile now wouldn't they?
    e) The only people whose take on the music matters is the abnd, what with it being them expressing themselves and them making the music.
    e) Do I have the right to insist that The Gathering stop touring so that Jelmer can rejoin them and they go back to sounding like they did on Mandylion? Just because you bought their stuff doesn't give you a say in the band.
    f) If people only went to see Bloodbath at Waken because of Mike then yes they are just fanboys and pousers, since a lot of people went to see Bloodbath because they were an excelent Stockholm Death Metal band then I'm guessing their want of Mike was more icing on the cake.
    g) So music is jsut a product to you, something to be moulded to firt the demands of other people aside from the band? Thats not excatly a love of music now is it.

    Tumn: Nor will it make them sound any worse, whats your point?

    Heavenscent: And here I was thinking that lables were run by robots... Name me one example where a lable politley requests a band change some aspect of its sound or lineup and the band has complied...
    Century Media:"Hey Bloodbath, please bring Dan back so the sales will go up again"
    Bloodbath:"Ok, sure no problem"
    CM: "Oh while you're at it can you go all Metalcore too so that you'll get on MTV"
    BB: "Well if thats what our fans want then no problem".
    CM: "Well actually most of them just want Dan in the band and don't really care about what it sounds like, but you'll get new fans doing this because its what the general public want, I mean look what happened to In Flames"

    Alice?
     
  3. ~random~

    ~random~ Longing for the Darkness

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    Actually, how much of the fan base do you think this forum represents?
     
  4. FromHereToDeath

    FromHereToDeath I'll see you in Hell!!

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    ~random~ Longing for the Darkness

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    Exactly, it's like the Opeth forum. If three of them agree on something, then suddenly it's obvious that all Opeth fans are feeling the same way
     
  6. Tumn

    Tumn baptized in blood

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    Baletempest, my point is pretty much that Dan is irreplaceable. His work will not be matched, he is a one of a kind, there will never be another Dan Swanö. The majority of the most well-liked tracks are written by Dan. Bloodbath is losing a HUGE part of their sound by making a poor decision.
     
  7. darcy

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    I always thought of Dan as being the "main man" being Bloodbath, I'm pretty surprised.
     
  8. Heavenscent

    Heavenscent FUCKIN' YAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!

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    I have no idea. I just say it might be a possibilty that there is someone from the label that actually likes what they produce. It's a straw i'm clinging to.
    I don't see it happening either.
    But I also don't expect the mars company to give me a lifetime supply of twix. But i still hope they do.
     
  9. Katatonica

    Katatonica noise and whisper

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    oh man for much love i have to Jonas and Anders the fact that such good musicians as Mike, Peter and Dan are leaving/gettin kicked out, makes me want to punch them in the face lol... and well boycotting the band to make the other ppl come back is not even an option...i hope bloodbath sound is not compromised,,,, although u can tell the difference with each one of the times things changed in the band...well good luck to all the affected parties :p
     
  10. SovietPower

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    I will still listen to new BB shti if it ever comes out before making any generalization. But kicking out Dan was a shitty move. So I guess shit like Eaten is not "death metal" enough for Kata guys and its not in their "vision"...seriously just stfu..it all seems like a pussy money move on their part. Pos I want Dan back...
     
  11. Danny

    Danny www.bandagegraphics.de

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    Very sad, some specially details will be missed on next Bloodbath.. :cry:

    I'm glad i was able to saw you with Bloodbath at WOA.
     
  12. Jinn

    Jinn Saint

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    *sigh*

    a) I never advocated the boycotting of nor did I ever plan to boycott Bloodbaths next album. In fact, I am looking forwards to it. Stop putting words in my mouth.

    b) Good for you. Nobody cares.

    c) Petty insults and arrogant remarks are uncalled for. I do agree that the individual fan has a very insignificant opinion, but when a group of people share a common opinion and protest, things are reconsidered. This is how many countries do things such as elect leaders and how corporations make decisions.

    d) And what brings you to the conclusion that Nile is the biggest death metal band out there with the most mainstream sound? Last I checked, acts like Six Feet Under and Cannibal Corpse have become more accepted by the mainstream audiences as far as death metal is concerned.

    e) Thank you for stating the blatantly obvious. Being the head of several musical projects, I know how the musical process works. HOWEVER, what's to say that composers and bands can't take a little constructive criticism? Did Opeth sell out when fans asked for more guitar solos after MAYH? Did Katatonia sell out after they decided to forge a completely new path with Saw You Drown? Did Opeth sell out after Jonas Renkse suggested to Mike Akerfeldt that Opeth should make a nonmetal album?

    f) That is a fine achievement of stupidity. So by the term 'poser' you mean that they're really not TRUE fans of Bloodbath because they favor Mike to Peter? That's what I'd expect from a 9th grader. it's like walking into an Ice Cream parlor and then telling everyone who ordered chocolate ice cream that they're not true ice cream lovers because they chose chocolate over vanilla. You can't condemn people for liking one vocalist over another and you can't condemn them for basing their trip to Wacken, which costs time and money to attend, to see Bloodbath.

    g) Read my goddamn posts! I was taking the economical standpoint of music and the labels that control them! Music is a business whether you like it or not. My entire argument is that if all the bloodbath fans protested, there might be serious consideration in reevaluating Dan's removal, ECONOMICALLY SPEAKING.

    Christ. Get your head out of your arse and READ MY DAMN POSTS.
     
  13. Baletempest

    Baletempest Singer of Strange Songs

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    Jinn Most of what I have written has been in reaction to what you have written so I sudgest you read your postes before critiquing mine. To make you even more hipocritical you chose to ignoor and dismiss my 2 perfectly good examples because it suited you to pretend that other bands who suffer sales falls can only get away with it if they're big. Which is not the case at all as Therion and The Gathering both prove, I know no-one cares about them but my 9th grade logic tells me that they are great examples of undergroudn Metal bands that have suffered economicaly from fans not buying as much of their stuff, am I wrong here?

    If its so obvious that you have no say then why are you talking about petitions and fan pressure? It defied my 9th grader logic please enlighten me. As for Nile well, currently Nile are more popular in a global sense, specifically in Europe than any other Death Metal band. My 9th Grade logic tells me that bands would listen to the fans (if they listened to them at all) from the areas that make up most of their fanbase, am I mistaken?

    My 9th grade logic tells me that the examples you've listed are in no way the result of "constructive critisism" by fans since Opeth's studio diaries and interviews make no such claims, and if Katatonia had payed that much attention to their fans Circa Saw You Drown my guess is that they would have followed on from Sounds of Decay/Brave Murder Day rather than write Discoraged Ones... especially since SYD was limited and BMD isn't so more poeple will have heard it and liekd it surely? My 9th grade logic also tells me that people are more inclined to listen to their freinds than total strangers therefore a well informed friend will be able to contribute good Ideas (like Damnation/Deliverence)
    Fan A: "Hey your music would be a lot better if you could get more Blastbeats in, I like Blastbeats and so do all these people on this petition"
    Friend A: "You know since you've been going in a more Raw Black Metal direction whay don't you up the blastbeat sections between riffs?"
    Fan A "Opeth should wear Corpsepait, I have this petition full of people who agree"
    Friend A "No, Just don't do it, look what happened to Immortal"
    Who do you believe Band Member A should listen to?

    Well by my 9th grade logic I never said that people were posuers for prefferring one singer over another, I said that people are posuers for only wanting to see a band because of who's in them, eg "I love 1349, but Frost's not in them for their latest tour so I'm not seeing them because they suck without Frost" even though they will sound basically excatly the same. This is just worship of one member by my 9th grade logic.

    And this is a gem:
    Well my 9th grade logic tells me that you are saying (with your own mouth) that you want to affect a band economically by not actually changing the amount of money you are giving to said band? I can see it now:
    Century Media: "Bloodbath there's a problem, you're not making enough money"
    Bloodbath: "Are people buying less copies of our album or something?"
    CM: "No, its selling very well infeact but its just since all your fans want Dan back the money is just evaporating into thin air?!"
    BB: "WHAT!!!"
    CM: "Yes your fans got 300000 names on a petition to financially force us to force you into getting Dan back. The power of the petition has placed a voodoo curse on you so you'll be severely economically affected by their decision to not boycott you in any way shape or form and I'm afraid you're so unprofitable now that we'll have to yeild to them drop you unless you remedy this and soon!"
    BB: "No, we stand by our decision!"
    CM: "well then I hate to do this... *activates remote chip in Bloodbath members brains that allow the lable to control them*. Now what do you have to say!"
    BB: "Egads! How do we rectify this, master?!"
    CM: "Well you can either let Dan back into the band or kill your fans..."
    BB: "Gadzooks! I haven't the time to be murdering people we'd better let Dan back in post-haste!"
    Of course Jinn now I see the light of the petition. Oh woe to thee, how my inferior 9th grade logic and head-arse interaction have failed me and made me miss the power of the petition.

    Good luck Jinn, you're going to need it.
     
  14. Baletempest

    Baletempest Singer of Strange Songs

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    Whatever you think of their decision (and personally since I want to see Bloodbath on tour I'm ambivilant) its theirs to make and you have no part in reversing or affecting that. Plus since all of Dans songs are still stockholm Death Metal juts with that unique Dan Swano touch then surely it's not a huge part of the sound only a minor one that people (myself included BTW) will miss. Its not fair to the band to say tht they'll be worse off, they may find someone with their own unique touch, OK it won't be the same as Dan but they'll be just as varied and thats no detriment to their sound in real terms.
     
  15. Nuk3m

    Nuk3m AKA Porn-Fingers

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    The band itself has already taken quite a huge dump on those who tryed out for the vocalist position.

    I mean really saying that you think they wont be as good as they were is pretty light in comparrision and just as opinionated and "justified" as their comments.

    THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING that most on this thread said it in a far more constructive, polite, and even professional way. The band did not.



    I dont know why its all going to this. This was a band i REALLY liked because i knew of Dan and Mike. It was good for a reason. It wasnt anything ground breaking. It wasnt technical. It really wasnt taken serious. AND they embrassed all those things, even the cheesy-ness of it. ANDD! they didnt take themselves serious about the project or themselves. (Though the is a difference between acting like a few brats in a band and being a professional)

    The outcome:

    Ass-rippingly good death metal. Straight forward and easy listening. Also alot of things about it gave me a chuckle, the circumstances it came to be. The whole persona they had cooked up. The BOSS HM pedals...

    THEN:

    Dan, writting catchy groovy riffs. Mike the best metal vocalist to ever live sounding like hed make satan his bitch. Just a fun thing that was awesome, not trying to be something it wasnt.

    Now:

    No mike. NO DAN. Band acting like a bunch of spoilt rockstars. Its now a "serious" thing rather then it just being for fun.

    I mean you could hear the difference in the last album. RTC was just embracing the good things about death metal, the simple things. NMF was just trying to be something else. Most of the tracks were trying way to hard. And in my opinion there really isnt anywhere death metal can go without it being a fusion of styles, like Opeth and some other bands.

    IT wasnt even about doing somethign different, its about doing what has been done and do it better then everyone else. THE CHEESE FACTOR.


    This thing has just been taken too seriously and the remainder of the band just thinks they are the shit.
     
  16. doom_death

    doom_death Katatonia&Hypocrisy Fan

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    Looks like they are in 'war' to me...it is obvious that posts by Swano are written just that fans think they are in 'good' relation...but it really isn't like that...jesus,in his words I can feel that he is fucking sad being kicked out like last piece of shit...and somehow,I really trust more to Dan Swano then Anders...sorry... :cry:
     
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    I'm going to miss Dan's presence in Bloodbath, but hopefully the band still produces a great album (their touring is meaningless to me [aside from the profit they'll gain] unless they plan to come to Hawaii).

    Dan... go make something awesome, like Crimson III or Moontower II. Or! Something new altogether.
     
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    Blakkheim In the Still of the Night

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    oh ok... thanks for letting us know. we'll update the news with your correct info asap - don't worry the news credits will go to you too!
     
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    Tumn baptized in blood

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    Ok. This is something I didn't see coming.

    First of all, the only reason I can accept this matter is the thing about gigs, touring and so on. Maybe some members are more into touring and maybe not but it's of course pretty hard to make music together if some members think that the band is just a studio band and others are looking towards and see the road, you know. Still, if that's the only good reason and that has also something to do with lack of discussion then I just can't understand what is going on.

    Other members have said what they have said, Dan has denied the biggest matters and still both sides just say that this is how it is, have a nice future, everything has been locked and there's no way back. I don't know in what kind of world we live nowadays but if this is how people are doing with each other then I don't know anything anymore. Why not talk about things and even if the band has done some things in a rush then does the band turn into joke if they just get back together, solve their problems and handle the things just like that. "You we're wrong about that and right about that" "Oh ok! Sorry about that, can we still talk about that other thing?" "Sure!" "Then sorry about this, let's move on and make great music again". How hard can it be?

    Dan also commented already some things about his visions when talking about Bloodbath's music and future. I think he's thoughts were something like the same few yours back when I did an interview with him about Bloodbath.

    And so on. I think there are many things in this interview which make the official statement even more confusing.

    I saw few people saying "Stupid whining" but come on! If the band doesn't give any other information, Dan also seems to be pretty shocked and still lives with this thing and we all seem to be a little confused then how should we feel about this? Ok? I don't think so. I think it would be easier if the band would just say "We don't like to do music with Dan, we need to tour all the time and it's just not working in any way on musical and personal state" but they just don't. Many reasons are pretty empty and others are just that kind of matters which could be solved in 5 minutes long talk. Maybe Dan and remaining Bloodbath members understand this but I don't.

    Few days ago I were dreaming about forthcoming Bloodbath DVD and third album with some new guy OR Dan Swanö on vocals and with great new songs from Dan, Renkse and Blackheim. Now I don't know what to think or dream.
     

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