hey blade, i added those names in as an example, and because they were mentioned in the thread too! the main sub-genres i like are death, black, grind, chaotic stuff really, the more extreme side, but i also do love thrash, prog metal, i don't like power metal, and like some parts of straight forward heavy metal... but i also do love other forms of music as well, so i have an appreciation for a LOT of different styles of music, and just don't like those bands, something about their sound I really can't get into. not because i don't like metal, i just don't like those bands. i've never once said that all/any of those bands 'aren't helpful to the genre', i am sure they get millions of people worldwide into metal and that is a good thing, but they don't do anything for ME personally. simple.