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AMARANTHE: Maximalism

Discussion in 'ProgPower USA' started by KingsGene, Aug 11, 2016.

  1. hoodaman

    hoodaman Is it live or is it Dave?

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    I bet they are just trying to crossover since pop is where the most exposure is. The fact that they started out as a heavy sounding band means they will pretty much completely lose their original fanbase and (provided they have corporate backing to continue) trade them in for a...less discerning one.
     
  2. Charlie Dudley

    Charlie Dudley So where do we begin and what else can we say?

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    Completely agree. There has always been one or two songs that seemed like they could be crossover hits. I'm sure the rest of the album will produce what they produced previously. It seems that "That Song" is just this album's "Electroheart".
     
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    labarum Cotton Candy Collector

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    I can't make up my mind about it....it is super poppy which I'm okay with, a little jazzy, sorta...but like mentioned before, it seems lazy content wise. But I get the impression that's what they were going for on this one particular song. Kind of a home town rocker anthemic vibe.
    Will be watching for this release like a hawk.
     
  4. TwizstedJesus

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    They dropped the first turd off into the bowl, hopefully it doesn't become full-on diarrhea, because this one is definitely their worst song ever!
    I've never been a huge fan but I've always bought their stuff and given it a fair shake.
    I assume I'll do the same here, but this one could quickly become Geoff Tate-like Queensryche.
    That is, must avoid at all costs
     
  5. Oblivion Ocean

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    I will just leave this here :tickled::tickled:

     
  6. Formerly known as Chris F5

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    Meh


    Methinks they want a huge worldwide hit and hope the new fans they get can get into the heavier stuff


    We shall see...
     
  7. KingsGene

    KingsGene God of Thunder

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    KingsGene God of Thunder

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    If there was any doubt who their target audience was with that song it was put to rest. A turd IS a turd and that video was an insult to all the Amaranthe fans who've supported them threw their rise thru the ranks. No nice way to put it and why be politically correct...I've smelled horseshit that was better than that.
     
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  10. HoneyBadger68

    HoneyBadger68 New Metal Member

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    Personally the single is not my favorite from the band but that doesn't mean I'm not rooting for them. To say the video is an "insult" to Amaranthe fans is a little strong IMO...The video is not any different than the dancing and choreography they've had in past videos. The goal is to sell albums and appeal to a larger audience not write the same album over and over. How cool would it be to see an Amaranthe song on the billboard singles charts and say that they made their U.S. debut at ProgPower USA?
     
  11. Charlie Dudley

    Charlie Dudley So where do we begin and what else can we say?

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    Completely agree. "Drop Dead Cynical" was very poppy as a song and as a video. Not the synchronized dancing we see in this video but similar nonetheless. They'll have some kick ass songs on this record, no doubt. If you're a fan of them, you know you're going to get some pop mixed in with your energetic metal. They're freaking great live and I'm looking forward to seeing them next year.
     
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    Matt come on. I know you're friends with this band but .. and this is going to be REALLY harsh to read.. after about 45 seconds into that video I have never wanted to see a band boo'd off [any] stage [that's claiming itself to be a metal show] more than Amaranthe. Maybe that single isn't representative of the full album, but holy fuck, everything about this particular shit turd is something I think needs to be wafflestomped down the drain and never spoken of again.

    I'm not coming to Progpower USA for 4 Synchronized backup dancers and the bands that use them in videos. I can go to a Beyonce concert and be surrounded by my own people if that's what I was into. Is this really the image you want to project for this genre and make it what people associate with Metal in general? Because I don't.

    I'm done with this band and their obvious need to cater to the lowest common denominator and not even attempt to hide what they're doing. I applaud them for wanting to make the most amount of money in the least amount of time, however, I'm out.
     
  13. Harvester

    Harvester The Promoter

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    Passionate feelings aside about the single/video, you may want to hear the rest of the album before you move on.
     
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    The problem right now for any band trying to sell out, at least in the US market, is that uptempo pop music seems to have taken a bit of a hiatus in favor of Ed Sheeran/ Shawn Mendes acoustic/indie/dance pop and really slow and boring songs that aren't even properly ballads most of the time, just some pretty girl singing the same lyric breathily over a slow beat. Pop music has just taken a bit of an odd turn lately kinda like we saw transitioning from the 80s to the 90s, so it's just not a good time to be trying to reach that market if your brand is built on power vocals. Not to mention pop songs these days are built on clever turns of phrase as much as on hooks, and it's tough for foreign songwriters to compete on that playing field.

    That being said, three points in favor of the song:

    1) Elize Ryd has always been more of a pop singer than metal singer and it WORKS in the context of the band. On this song she's actually showing that she's getting better. There's no one quite like her in metal.
    2) Despite what I said above, Amaranthe at least seems to be aware of what can sell(or their management is), and this song could plausibly do well. It probably won't(at least not in the US), but there's a chance.
    3) Just as an Amaranthe song, not assuming anything about their motives, it's fine, IMO. No one is doing what they are doing and they are starting to incorporate more and more variety into their sound.

    Bonus point:

    4) If Amaranthe truly does want to cross over, get rid of the extreme vocals and replace with a rapper.
     
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    You're right. And you're not the first person who's mentioned that, but I've just lost so much interest between The Nexus and this... whatever this is. I want this to be a joke song, I do. And I'll give the new album a play through, because I respect the opinion of you and milton, but .. it's gonna be hard to wash this bitterness out of my mouth. lol

    Let's not give them ideas for the next album.
     
  16. Oblivion Ocean

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    Wow, such melodrama and hyperbole.

    I don't like the song either, but it is the first song of theirs I have not liked, so they have quite a bit of capital built up for me that I will definitely give the album a chance.

    Also while I love metal music, metal fandom has never felt right for me. So somehow introducing heavy pop influence and dancing into your video is the sin amongst sins that violates the metal bro code and is not tolerated because it steps outside the masculine lines of the genre (remember I don't much like the song either). These violations somehow merit calls for them being boo'd off stage, a turd to be stomped down the drain, and lowest-common denominator?

    Is it too poppy for my liking? Yes. But to respond with such hyperbole because it strays too far from metal with a song and video. Have you seen what some of the other bands on the bill do in their videos in the name of "metal" and appeals to the typical metal crowd?





    What was that Spinal Tap quote again "The musical growth of this band cannot even be charted. They are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry." :) I know some people will say, yea but at least that sounds like metal, which is true, but also makes my point.
     
  17. nailz

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    Oh honey, you are picking the wrong fight with the wrong man.
     
  18. hoodaman

    hoodaman Is it live or is it Dave?

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    The crux of the issue is expectations based on previous works and an innate ability to distinguish between genuine art and the lack thereof.
     
  19. Kez

    Kez pronounced Keez

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    Nobody's picking a fight. Everyone calm down.

    For heaven's sake, really? You guys go to your respective corners, please.
     
  20. AngraRULES

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    Maximalism has some of the best music Amaranthe has released in their career.

    Look past "That song" and you'll discover some awesome songs. I can't stop listening to it. Yes, it's poppy as fuck, but there's a reason why "pop" music is popular.

    Looking forward to seeing them live very much.

    PS. This post is done with absolute zero bias, from a festival perspective or a personal-relationship perspective with the band. I'm speaking purely musically.
     
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