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are Crust and Grindcore considered genres of metal or of punk?

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by frammis4242, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. frammis4242

    frammis4242 New Metal Member

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    A lot of crust like Amebix and Anti Cimex sounds more like metal than it does punk, and some grindcore bands sound a lot like powerviolence, overall what do you think they are?
     
  2. matt schrauben

    matt schrauben Curse You All Men!

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    I'm fairly certain that both genres descended mostly from punk but have a definite metal influence.

    I'm sure if others disagree, they'll correct me promptly :)
     
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    SomeGuyDude My name is sorrow.

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    Crust is as metal as punk can get and still be sorta considered punk, and grind is well accepted as a metal subgenre. They bleed over and into each other a shitload, so I think the general consensus is that they're in both.
     
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    pray for the dead orthodox dro)))ne

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    Crust is basically metal with drumming that sounds like Motorhead's. It's rarely technical.

    Grindcore is a fusion of death metal and hardcore punk. I think it was first played by punks, but then you have Repulsion, so that's something that can be argued until the end of time. It's generally considered that Napalm Death and Fear of God started it. Napalm used to be a peace-punk band (check their earliest demo) and Fear of God came from a punk background as well. To my eternal shame, I have no idea about Repulsion or Carcass.

    Powerviolence started out as a more extreme version of hardcore punk (No Comment being the best example of that) without any metal influence, but that changed pretty quickly. The easiest way to describe it would be to say that it's grindcore with stop-on-a-dime changes into slow, sludgy parts. Personally, I find that as long as it's not aping another band too much, it's more interesting than grindcore. And sometimes more violent.
     
  5. EspaDa

    EspaDa Chaoplasm

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    Magrudergrind :kickass:
     
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    Mort Divine Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd

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    They're both punk primarily with some bleed over into metal.
     
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    IronMagnon Officer Nice

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    Every originator from both genres came from the punk scene in their respective countries. Like thrash and it's derivatives (some might say crust is also a derivative) you have bands who lie much more on the metal side of things (Pig Destroyer and Repulsion for grind, Hellbastard for crust)and then bands who are undoubtedly punk but also undoubtedly grind or crust (Plutocracy comes to mind for grind. I'd also say most crust falls into this category). I've always been of the mind that they're both variations of punk at heart. Definitely room for disagreement though.
     
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    IronMagnon Officer Nice

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    And Magrudergrind is possibly the best grind band out there because they embrace their hardcore roots. That and Chris Moore is a fuckin awesome dude.
     
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    EspaDa Chaoplasm

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    Vocalist's voice got weakaned a bit...It worries me, because on self titled album he sounded SO FUCKING UNBELIEVEBLY GREAT, on Crusher it is weaker.
     
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    IronMagnon Officer Nice

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    Yeah man if you listen to them live it's not the same anymore either. I feel like Avy must've destroyed his voice on that recording and subsequent tours. The way he sounded was just incredible. Then again he might just be getting older. Happens to all the best vocalists.
     

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