You guys don't even know what black metal is cradle of filth? Jesus christ *shakes head* Old man's child isn't traditional black metal, either is satyricon's latest. They let the drummer from slipknot play on tour since their drummer couldn't get a visa.. think about that. Dark Medieval Times> anything satyricon will ever release. And dimmu borgir's latest album just flat out sucks, even if you arent expecting something from before Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia (i.e something like Master of Disharmony or The Blazing Monoliths of Defiance, to name a few good older style songs).