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Discussion in 'Andy Sneap' started by nwright, Sep 25, 2010.
Thoughts on the mix/master?
I thought it was alright. Not bad, but I just can't get into it that much. I liked the mix on the last CD a little more, even though I didn't like the individual elements as much, I think it had a cooler character. Actually, the first CD sounded heavy in a kind of dirty, we-can barely-play-our-instruments kind of way. haha
It's one of the wierdest mixes I've heard in a long time. the kick is so low tuned that it craps out the whole mix IMO. Referencing other loud mixes at moderately loud levels, this one farts out my speakers in my car. I've never had that happen, so I was curious if others notice this.
hate this mix, very annoying
This is the reason I can even really listen to this mix.
I loved the mix of "The Diseased & The Poisoned", but this one is a whole other story. Low end on the kick just kills everything else.
Seems very out of character for Zeuss
Zuess didn't do this one
Thought it was Zack Ohren?
According to the liner notes, it was Ohren. I've heard other stuff from him and it didn't have the same characteristics of this mix. Just had to see what everyone else though since it has been one of the wierdest mixes I've heard in a while.
I actually think the snare is very comical on this album how the samples are different for blasts, gravitys, and hard hits.
My bad, I heard a rumor, hadn't actually looked at the production notes.
I thought most people did this with heavier genres of metal?
I like this mix, but not as much as their previous mixes. Kick is definitely weird. I don't really like the snare either. It has a very snappy attack and lacks body.
Wow. I fired up the opening track, kept thinking "what the fuck is going on with these drums" for 50 seconds and had to stop.
the mix is very kick oriented...i really didn't like them. I went to see them live and as soon as i walked in the club it was just: KICK KICK KICK KICK!!
wow I see I'm getting pretty rammed in this thread. I guess here's my notes on it all:
-The band definitely did not want a normal mix. They wanted it over the top big bottom, especially kick. I actually had some other mixes with much less huge kick and it was one of the only things they desired get changed. It's no surprise to me that they keep their kick super loud live as well. They didn't just want up up from where I had it, they wanted it WAAAY up, with more click and more low end thud.
-I did not master this but I can say I agree when i hear this these days all I can think is "wow, this is really really deep". On my nice studio monitors it does just what the band wanted, absolutely punish with the kick. I'm guessing on any less than perfect audio system, possible fart city.
-Did not record or mix this album at my studio, which was probably in retrospect somewhat of a mistake. I did bring in my studio monitors to keep familiarity but i think this definitely also attributed to the overdepth of it all.
-Snare/toms are not triggered on this, like 90% of my recordings. So the "I actually think the snare is very comical on this album how the samples are different for blasts, gravitys, and hard hits." doesn't really make sense. That said, I do believe there were at least a few parts where snare hits were replaced with other hits from the same snare recording. These drums were recorded in a huge room(www.sharkbitestudios.com) and i used what could be described as an obsurd amount of room mic on this. I'm not positive, but i don't think there's any actual reverb on the recording of the drums.
-I would say that the reasoning for this sounding nothing like much of my other work is that it's equipment wise not the same at all. the guitars were done on custom vader cabs which i never used before and the whole album was recorded on a 1970s Trident console with pretty much 100% outboard compression/eq/effects. Most my stuff i do at my place is a lot more ITB.
Hope that was somewhat insightful.
Yeah, it's really the drum sounds that get me. I've had to work with bands who have really, really weird demands about the drums, and it bugs the hell out of me. It's like I can hear in my head how they're supposed to sound like, but the band is forcing me to go the opposite direction.
Cool of you to chime in!
This band is just too in your face for me. I don't even think it's the mix.
Hmm, never bothered to listen becouse i don't like this band (to say the least)
But now that you mentioned it, I hear the vader cabs in there. God I hate those things, i'm baffled how so many people think they sound good.
Uhm. Carry on.
Zack, thanks for the insight. I wasn't starting this thread intending to flame anyone's work, but the mix to me was just so different from what I've heard in other similar mixes recently and your work in the past. The drums otherwise sounded pretty natural to me, it was mainly the kick that was throwing me for a loop.
And, I'd probably never posted at all unless my band's drummer brought it to my attention. He kept telling me to "listen to those kicks, maaaan" during the mixing phase of my band's CD (this was his reference)...Haha
Awesome to see you post on this, though. thanks!
I definitely actually think they were a good choice. They're not as clean/clear/punchy as the marshall cabs i use on like 95% of my stuff but they have a unique low-mid growl in those legacy speakers that's quite unique and in my opinion a trademark of carnifex's sound. so yea i could have easily made this tighter and more stereotypically metal but who wants every album to sound the same? not me.
micing up guitars was a bitch though. took 2 reampings to get to what we ended up with.
...wait a sec...You did Decrepit Birth's Polarity as well didn't you? I got it the same day I got the carnifex disc.
details on that one? It's much tigher, haha.