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COB start writing new album

Discussion in 'Children Of Bodom' started by sleeper666, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. Jontzgu

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    ^ we'll see, it's only a good thing if the band has "naturally" set out to do music in that style. If not, they're just cheating themselves and if that's the case, it will reflect on the music. It will sound forced and nobody wants that.
    In the end making music should be about what you think and feels right, and maybe others will like it, too.
     
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    I know everything works spontaneous for COB, but I'm more of 50% emotion-based and 50% calculated plan based individual, so what I would probably do if I was Laiho is think about 9 most impressive songs of the band and make songs in the same style, also think about what is it in COB's artistic theme that made them cult, and act accordingly.

    In other words I'd try to make songs similar to these ones for example, but with new composions:

    Silent Night
    Bed Of Razors
    Downfall
    Follow the Reaper
    Children Of Decadence
    Everytime I Die
    Angels Don't Kill
    Living Dead Beat
    Are You Dead Yet

    So there would be song "recipes" that worked genious for the band in the past. Then continue with the Reaper and the Lake theme.

    Why? Because these have been proven to work magnificent for COB. You should focus on what you do best in life, if you want to make an impact. Spontaneous doesn't work for COB anymore, it seems. Their songs are all the same and just sound pointless, and the theme as well as artworks have strayed too far from the original idea. I don't mean to make artificial creativity by copying these songs: but to think about the vibes in the songs and create the same energy, instead of the 4:00 minute thrash songs that have an intro and the usual pattern and solos just for the fuck of it and shit vocals.

    The band is reluctant to create another song like SNBN, because they have done one in the past. Yet they make ten thousand songs like RRF. When they could make that epicness - given Alexi still has that creativity in him... This I don't understand.

    Honestly, when listening to the three newest albums for the first time, after the anticipated long waits, and expecting to hear some epicness like diamons of old (SNBN, ETID etc etc) and to hear several, several songs pass by and clearly not igniting any epic feelings at all, felt like a waste of potential. Alexi says he could something like the old stuff any day again... (which is just evidence of him respecting technicality above creativity these times) but whichever sub genre of metal or genre of music you do doesn't matter if you ain't psyched to be creative.

    What I'm trying to say in this post is it would be pretty exciting if the new album was actually surprising and included fresh, bright and creative metal music and songs deviating from the new pattern trend. If they actually had a "SNBN pt.2" or songs where different instruments have a distinctive role instead of the usual mash-up, it would be interesting. For example a song driven by interesting drumming and keyboards, and a song with creative and fast melodic guitar work would spice up the album. Every song was more or less the same on RRF.
     
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    Song recipes, hmmh. I get the feeling you would be second-guessing yourself if you look too much at old songs to get new ideas, but for music's sake it might be a good idea. I don't think it would not hurt for COB create songs with a less-is-more -mentality, because from what I gather, all the good COB songs are more or less simple. Just look at Living dead beat, very simple but catchy rhythmic riffs.

    Shit, I've read so many comments about COB should/shouldn't do on the upcoming album that it feels like I am continuing the beating of a dead horse here.
     
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    I might be drawing deluded conclusions from my personal experience, but I think there's certain trends that some bands follow simultaneously. Many bands have now made a darker sounding album, and it looks like Bodom is doing the same. The last years there was this trend of thrashy American sound. Around 2000-2002 many bands did albums that sounded cold and blue. Then the next years many bands did red albums with raw sound.
     
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    I concur. Although I can't claim to know enough to do completely valid conclusions of the 2000-2002 "era", I did notice that new In flames album was more had more technical playing than their earlier production, quite similar to Bodom's newest cd and/or progression of the music.
     
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    I could mention some examples I'm thinking of. But I really hope Bodom's reunion with Nuclear Blast will have a positive effect on their style somehow - they said they need "a change". A change of what? If someone tried to steer my art into a shit commercial way, and succeeded in doing so, I'd certainly leave the house doors banging.

    Honestly I'm not buying to the "we do it 100% spontaneous" stuff. Peter Tägtgren of Hypocrisy washed his hands from record label industry several years ago, making stuff in his own studio instead, saying they tried to steer his music into the commercial bullshit or whatever. This should make people realize it's all REAL, it's NOT a conspiracy. When you moan the development of succesful metal bands to pop'ish American direction, everybody says "Well of course, that's how to make money." But it's against my principle. I don't want to believe artists sell their soul. One metal mastermind has confessed this is what happened and he hated it. And I'm sure the bands who enjoy such dictation of art deny it and take the secret to their graves cos the fans of metal would simply not tolerate this.

    My best guess is record labels make business and the rules of business apply to them as well. They look at trends and what kind of music sells. I can perfectly imagine what happens after that. I'm not saying the guys in suits tell them what notes to write, but it's possible they try to determine the style the music and sound as well. I think the band not saying no to me anymore means they know I'm on the right track and don't mind me saying these things. I think Bodom don't like the American sound brought by Matt Hyde and they didn't agree with Spinefarm management about having WIWI as the single... and what went on beyond that we can only guess.

    What makes the NB deal particularly promising is the way they cheered for COB's great original albums.

    I still feel like the next album is going to be most reminiscent of Blooddrunk, but let's see. I would encourage them for a radical change.

    The only bit of sense that convinces me to think nobody steered Bodom's music anywhere, is the fact it's started to look like they would sell more actually by going back to the old direction.

    What I want is the best of the old and something completely new and different.
     
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    Yeah, it's time for a change, hope it's for the better. Fingers crossed.
     
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    how genius of you to be able to evaluate me physically and spiritually with my trolling comments. really visionaire. i obviously dont wish that you should kill yourself not even to my biggest enemies i do


    btw how the fuck you know my musical opinion and vision if i never come here and i never debated it? how you know if im not a super musical talent or not? how can you despise the value of your "enemy" that way? if you were a winner in life you wouldnt ever do it. and you think you´re something just because you have a repetitive point doesnt mean you squeeze people like bug, people you dont even know. maybe if you were smarter you werent here saying the same shit 30000 times to people who dont give a crap about you or dont mean nothing to you. thats the amazing vision you have in my opinion, at least its what it looks. instead of that you could use that brilliant vision of yours you say you have and use it in the real life, with the same confidence you try to show here. maybe like i try to do instead of posting shit here everyday.

    but whatever i dont give a shit about your opinions, thats just an honest advice. like janne or alexi im out of this forum anyway
     
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    The new album is almost ready now and we still haven't heard a thing. This is even more promising than last time.
     
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    Can't believe there was a time when everybody dissed the song Are You Dead Yet, now it feels like a masterpiece (which it certainly is apart from the chorus not having the keys mixed on top). I hope we'll have more songs done with serious attitude.
     
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    "Hi all!

    We have done demo versions from the few new songs. Damn they sound good! Can´t wait to have the album ready! "

    Doesn't sound like the new album is almost ready.
     
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    There are no keys during the chorus you idiot!
     
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    I think this time Janne would call you an idiot.





    "Hi all!

    We have done demo versions from the few new songs. Damn they sound good! Can´t wait to have the album ready! "

    This sounds nice but it's the very least you could expect. One line? They won't describe the songs and the style. Is it the same or is it different. And with the remaining songs, I hope they try something interesting, like write a new SNBN or KTS or some epic songs instead of fillers. I just hope it really is good.
     
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    How many times Arcane needs to tell Joonas that there aren't keys on the album version? Seriously I've seen this same discussion like kazillion times on this board.
     
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    I don't mind opening those links. I know well enough there isn't keys on the album version (if there are they're not mixed audible), but there sure as hell is live. I don't see why you need to get all butt hurt for this. Calm down and sit down.

    Just came home from Cradle of Filth gig, God Seed was pretty impressive live. Dani Filth threw some beer over me but I wiped it from my lips cos I'm extreme with staying sober. I enjoyed the water he ejaculated over me from his bottle later on.
     
  19. ChockeHoldTerror

    ChockeHoldTerror Survived Lake Bodom

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    I'm still waiting for a little quick sample ? *angel* thanks ahead ;)
     

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