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Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by The Ozzman, Mar 17, 2008.
You're wrong and all, but its okay man, because we can't all be winners.
Calling each other idiots over which band is heavier sounds really childish. More so when you started using pictures as reactions which is like the internet equivalent of sticking your tongue out instead of making a response. Brilliant.
Maybe you follow a different definition of 'heavy' or you think different aspects of music make it heavy? Why are you so stuck on it anyway?
'Heavier' is such a subjective thing. It has partially more to do with lyrics than riffs. Whatever subject matter is getting you down/you're thinking deeply about at the time is going to be interpreted as heavier lyrics.
For example existentialist lyrics can be heavier to a depressed person than satanic/killing lyrics or war lyrics or political lyrics or whatever... depending on their mind state.
As far as heavier riffs, that's also subjective. Do you mean faster, lower tuned, what? Those criteria don't even work because slow standard tuning riffs can be heavy as fuck: look at Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath.
It comes down to the feeling one gets when listening to the music. And we're all going to feel something different when we listen to any piece of music because we've all led different lives musically, and in general. Different memories will come to mind, different correlations with favorite bands etc. Also present mind-state matters a ton.
I feel like the heaviest song to any listener, subjectively, is the most recent song that has breached their defense system of musical listening interest, and at the same time shocked them/expanded on what they are normally adjusted to listening to. But if it is too far out of their spectrum of acquired taste, they will simply reject it as bad music.
German thrash metal in general is a bit shit really, don't get what all the fuss is about.
Sound/production will always be a part of it too.
Pretty much right on the money as usual. I think some thudding, mountain-crushing doom is the heaviest of metals, but someone who's into thrash probably thinks layered 999 mph riffing is heavy, and meanwhile there's another dude who says fuck all that a tortured voice telling trooth is heavy.
However... Its important to keep in mind that an actual genre exists called straight up 'heavy metal', and if referring to that, there are certain parameters to follow. From what I've seen, its old school stuff with clean vox.
lol internet arguments
Personally, i don't think the lyrics have anything to do with how heavy the music is.
edit: Same goes for speed, has absolutely nothing to do with being heavy IMO.
a loud, crushing, pummeling massive wall of sound is the best way i can describe it. It's mainly all in the riffs imo.
If I want something heavy, thrash is the last thing Id go for.
Give me some slow and bass heavy stoner doom.
Holy Diver is probably the greatest heavy metal album ever conceived. I think it's better than anything Priest did, but SWOD or SFV is in my top 5 as well. It's a toss up between those two.
Rounding out the top 5:
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss
Honorable mentions (probably in my top 10):
Carcass - Heartwork
Pantera - CFH
Malevolent Creation - Retribution or TTC
I think #5 would get changed out with several others depending on mood, but Holy Diver won't change at all.
Yea, that's it for me. It has to have a huge monster riff, a heavy bottom end, and, if not actual screamed/growled vocals, not super-clean proggy/power stuff.
So generally for me the heaviest shit, in descending order, is death, black with a fair amount of death in it (or just some bass), and then doom.
LOL Pantera as a best album in any possible situation is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Holy Diver isn't even as good as what Dio did with Black Sabbath. Seasons as best Slayer album? LOFUCKINGL
Been here 8 years. Still don't care.
Holy Diver is easily one of the greatest heavy metal albums ever.
If I wanna hear Ronnie James Dio, Im puting on Dio. Not Sabbath.
I'd have to agree that Seasons is the top Slayer album. It isn't as fast as most others, but the song writing and overall heaviness trumps the others.
I love everything Dio was involved in. But without a fucking doubt his work with Black Sabbath > Rainbow > Dio.
I know more than a few people who think Seasons is Slayers best. Yuo really cant go wrong with any of their first five.
Are we really discussing Slayer here again?
I thought we outlawed them to be talked about here along with Opeth and Metallica....
The fuck does that have to do with anything?
I'm pretty sure he meant for the past 8 years, people here have probably been busting his balls for liking Pantera, and he doesn't give a shit.
It's also my thread so I have the privilege to bring up whatever I want