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Controversial opinions on metal

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by The Ozzman, Mar 17, 2008.

  1. The Butt

    The Butt Unholy gas, flares from my ass

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  2. Onder

    Onder Gegen unendlich

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    Calling each other idiots over which band is heavier sounds really childish. More so when you started using pictures as reactions which is like the internet equivalent of sticking your tongue out instead of making a response. Brilliant.

    Maybe you follow a different definition of 'heavy' or you think different aspects of music make it heavy? Why are you so stuck on it anyway?
     
  3. Baroque

    Baroque Active Member

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    'Heavier' is such a subjective thing. It has partially more to do with lyrics than riffs. Whatever subject matter is getting you down/you're thinking deeply about at the time is going to be interpreted as heavier lyrics.

    For example existentialist lyrics can be heavier to a depressed person than satanic/killing lyrics or war lyrics or political lyrics or whatever... depending on their mind state.

    As far as heavier riffs, that's also subjective. Do you mean faster, lower tuned, what? Those criteria don't even work because slow standard tuning riffs can be heavy as fuck: look at Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath.

    It comes down to the feeling one gets when listening to the music. And we're all going to feel something different when we listen to any piece of music because we've all led different lives musically, and in general. Different memories will come to mind, different correlations with favorite bands etc. Also present mind-state matters a ton.

    I feel like the heaviest song to any listener, subjectively, is the most recent song that has breached their defense system of musical listening interest, and at the same time shocked them/expanded on what they are normally adjusted to listening to. But if it is too far out of their spectrum of acquired taste, they will simply reject it as bad music.
     
  4. SentinelSlain

    SentinelSlain Suck my joined date.

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    German thrash metal in general is a bit shit really, don't get what all the fuss is about.
     
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    Onder Gegen unendlich

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    Sound/production will always be a part of it too.
     
  6. Carpe Mortem

    Carpe Mortem Benevolently Batshit

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    Pretty much right on the money as usual. I think some thudding, mountain-crushing doom is the heaviest of metals, but someone who's into thrash probably thinks layered 999 mph riffing is heavy, and meanwhile there's another dude who says fuck all that a tortured voice telling trooth is heavy.

    However... Its important to keep in mind that an actual genre exists called straight up 'heavy metal', and if referring to that, there are certain parameters to follow. From what I've seen, its old school stuff with clean vox.
     
  7. RedStorm

    RedStorm Death has come

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    lol internet arguments
     
  8. TechnicalBarbarity

    TechnicalBarbarity -TheNightsBane-

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    Personally, i don't think the lyrics have anything to do with how heavy the music is.

    edit: Same goes for speed, has absolutely nothing to do with being heavy IMO.

    a loud, crushing, pummeling massive wall of sound is the best way i can describe it. It's mainly all in the riffs imo.
     
  9. KafkaX

    KafkaX Mr. Self Destruct

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    If I want something heavy, thrash is the last thing Id go for.

    Give me some slow and bass heavy stoner doom.
     
  10. The Ozzman

    The Ozzman Melted by feels

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    Holy Diver is probably the greatest heavy metal album ever conceived. I think it's better than anything Priest did, but SWOD or SFV is in my top 5 as well. It's a toss up between those two.

    Rounding out the top 5:

    Megadeth - Rust in Peace
    Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
    Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss

    Honorable mentions (probably in my top 10):

    Carcass - Heartwork
    Pantera - CFH
    Malevolent Creation - Retribution or TTC

    I think #5 would get changed out with several others depending on mood, but Holy Diver won't change at all.
     
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    Yea, that's it for me. It has to have a huge monster riff, a heavy bottom end, and, if not actual screamed/growled vocals, not super-clean proggy/power stuff.

    So generally for me the heaviest shit, in descending order, is death, black with a fair amount of death in it (or just some bass), and then doom.
     
  12. ProphetofHatred

    ProphetofHatred We boogie on the floor

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    LOL Pantera as a best album in any possible situation is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Holy Diver isn't even as good as what Dio did with Black Sabbath. Seasons as best Slayer album? LOFUCKINGL
     
  13. The Ozzman

    The Ozzman Melted by feels

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    Been here 8 years. Still don't care.
     
  14. Krow

    Krow Garbage Connoisseur

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    Holy Diver is easily one of the greatest heavy metal albums ever.
     
  15. KafkaX

    KafkaX Mr. Self Destruct

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    If I wanna hear Ronnie James Dio, Im puting on Dio. Not Sabbath.
     
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    Draehl Lurker

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    I'd have to agree that Seasons is the top Slayer album. It isn't as fast as most others, but the song writing and overall heaviness trumps the others.
     
  17. TechnicalBarbarity

    TechnicalBarbarity -TheNightsBane-

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    I love everything Dio was involved in. But without a fucking doubt his work with Black Sabbath > Rainbow > Dio.

    I know more than a few people who think Seasons is Slayers best. Yuo really cant go wrong with any of their first five.
     
  18. KafkaX

    KafkaX Mr. Self Destruct

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    Are we really discussing Slayer here again?

    I thought we outlawed them to be talked about here along with Opeth and Metallica....

    The fuck does that have to do with anything?
     
  19. TechnicalBarbarity

    TechnicalBarbarity -TheNightsBane-

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    I'm pretty sure he meant for the past 8 years, people here have probably been busting his balls for liking Pantera, and he doesn't give a shit.
     
  20. The Ozzman

    The Ozzman Melted by feels

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    Yes.

    It's also my thread so I have the privilege to bring up whatever I want :)
     

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