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Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by The Ozzman, Mar 17, 2008.
... these bands have absolutely nothing to do with Cro-Mags, DRI, Agnostic Front, Discharge etc
Thats because most modern metalcore are at the gates worship and gay emo faggots.
Original metallic hardcore had its hand influenced by crossover bands, crust bands, and hardcore punk- particularly new York hardcore bands.
Botch, Converge, Coalesce (though more groove oriented), Shai Hulud, Deadguy, Madball - these are all the original metalcore sounds. All hardcore rooted but enjoyed metal and incorporated metal riffs.
yes but original metallic hardcore was not "metalcore", which is a term that pretty much started being used with the lame metalcore that we know today. But yea like i said plenty of metal is inspired by mixing elements of punk and heavy metal .. that in no way relates them to metalcore. Bnds that inspire other subgenres dont automatically get "proto" attached to them. A shit load of death metal musicians were inspired by Metallica, a band form a subgenre that shares many similarities with death metal, a subgenre that pretty much gave birth to death metal ... that does not make Metallica a "proto death metal" band.
yeah thats pretty much what metalcore is.
Faggots ruined it, makes me want to puke and beat someone to death with a Destroy the Machines CD.
Faggots defined it. As someone who grew up listening to metal in the 90's i can tell you the term "metalcore" was not used back then. I think its even funnier that people are trying to use the term to lump in thrash and hardcore bands from the 80's
Of course not, it was pretty much made up by the guitarist of Shai Hulud in the late 90's and only really caught on due to journalistic use in the 00's, and because of bands I just called mallcore he stopped describing his band and similar bands as metalcore and denounced the entire subgenre lmao. Faggots took all the great and diverse metallic hardcore from the late 80's and 90's and solidified it under a bastardized version of a subgenre a great metalcore guitarist practically invented to help describe what was going on.
I hope they all die of ball cancer.
All im saying is metallic hardcore/heavy hardcore(which is what those bands terasope a listed, inclduing Shai, where called in the90's) are not metalcore and the subgenre was not "invented" by them. Metalcore are the bands that we just both referred to as faggots.
and btw Shai Hulud used the term for the fist time in the early 2000's if i am not mistaken, not the 90's.
Matt Fox is an underrated master of guitar. Dude is super humble in person.
Time to make me a bar of soap
is that bar of soap going to help you wash away how misinformed you are when it comes to what metalcore actually is?
Its a possibility
I'm misinformed on a lot of shit.
Metalcore is just short for metallic hardcore, and all I'm saying is Matt Fox was using it before any of that gay shit existed.
using a term has nothign do with with what the name of the actual genre of music they're playing is, a genre that came to life in the 2000's. We have went over this with plenty of other bands who did the same thing in plenty of other subgnres. And im telling you again it was never used in the 90's, when all of the bands you're talking about existed and where called heavy hardcore, metallic hardcore etc. DRI, Cro-Mags etc have absolutely nothing to do with metalcore.
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you guys can use "proto metalcore" to describe those bands, which again where not called metalcore back then. But referring to DRI, Cro-Mags, Discharge etc as "proto-metalcore" is just 100% wrong.
yea but im pretty sure he can do a far better job with those gigantic meat hooks of his.
It's not uncommon for subgenre tags to retroactively be applied, even setting aside that Matt Fox described his band's music as metalcore before mallcore/melodic metalcore even existed. Doom metal for example.
And again I'm saying of course, I never said the term was used then.
I never said they did.
Not sure why you're saying "you guys" since I've never used the phrase "proto-metalcore" ever.
At this point I pretty much dropped the argument. Tech made his point.