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Controversial opinions on metal

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by The Ozzman, Mar 17, 2008.

  1. TechnicalBarbarity

    TechnicalBarbarity -TheNightsBane-

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    @crimsonfloyd they actually went back later and gave War and Pain 5 stars or Ks or whatever the fuck they call it.

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    Allfader Kvelding

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    Bergtatt has plenty of good black metal on it. The folk elements were well integrated and, given the Scandinavian old tale style of the lyrics, it makes all the sense to add instruments like flutes and baroque styled guitar pieces. It's folk/classical Scandinavian songwriting, not indie shit. Burzum used similar chord progressions until Fallen, Kampfar and Windir did it too and you can tell that those bands actually sound "Norse". Even Satyricon did it until Nemesis Divina.

    If you wanna blame someone of using lame indie shit to make lame black metal, Agalloch is the n°1 band on doing that.
     
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  3. TechnicalBarbarity

    TechnicalBarbarity -TheNightsBane-

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    Terasophe Terra Vitae/Terra Mori

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    After liking Agalloch for a while, I can say now that their shit doesn't hold up anymore. Its a damn chore to even sit through a song.
     
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    don't really disagree that this applies to much of bergtatt, but there's definitely some indie shit there too, such as the blatant MBV-aping i mentioned. isn't really a criticism, i like bergtatt and i like some shoegaze too.
     
  6. Oblivious Maximus

    Oblivious Maximus I am the worm

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    Not sure how controversial it is these days but I tend to prefer Ulver's stuff from William Blake onward. Perdition City is fucking heavenly and I'm really fond of Shadows of the Sun too.
     
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    Yeah, late Ulver is pretty cool. Love Garm's vocals.
     
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    J. Old Fart

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    I actually agree as well. I like the trilogy but the mid period stuff fits my mood these days
     
  9. Allfader

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    The blatant ripoff from Ulver and Empyrium is way too much for my taste. And the vocals are a joke.

    About Ulver, the only weak album to me is War of the Roses. The rest are all ranked from good to excellent.
     
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    Krow Garbage Connoisseur

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    Ulver after the first three is awful boring hipster trash for the limpest of wrists.
     
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    I originally fell out of interest after William Blake, but went back a couple years ago to reconsider some of their later stuff, starting with ATGCLVLSSCAP. That shit reeled me back in, and now I'm fond of most of their catalog.
     
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    Ulver's discography after the first three is mixed. William Blake has some cool moments, but also some totally forgettable tracks. There's a good 40 minute album within a 100 minute album. However, I really like the next era: Perdition City, the Silence EPs, Lyckantropen Themes, Svidd neger. They were really good at these atmospheric electronic sounds with jazz and/or classical elements. However, they lost me when they went to more conventional song writing with Blood Inside, Shadows of the Sun, Wars of the Roses. I lost interest after that, so I have no idea what they're up to these days. I do appreciate that they were always trying something new.
     
  13. Allfader

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    They are less ambient and more song based lately, but it's well done. The Assassination album features (IMO) a HUGE Depeche Mode/Kraftwerk Influence (Mostly Electric Cafe/Techno Pop, some Tour de France, MFTM, Violator, SOFAD, some Ultra).
     
  14. Oblivious Maximus

    Oblivious Maximus I am the worm

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    Assassination is one of their best albums. The upcoming album seems to be in the same vein based on "Russian Doll" and "Little Boy". Fine by me.
     
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    This 100%
     
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    EspaDa World Kekxtermination

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    Why? A good band. Even though their last album was not a good swan song, their previous full-length offerings were top-notch stuff. This album rocks in particular.

     
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    Terasophe Terra Vitae/Terra Mori

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    I mean their early stuff is pretty good as far as that melo-black /post-black stuff goes, but I can't dig any of their newer stuff prior to the split. I'll stick to those first few and maybe The Mantle every once in a while.
     
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    Der Morgenstern Trailer Park Bacchus

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    The only Agalloch album I have time for anymore is Marrow of the Spirit. It's the only one I can listen to all the way thorugh and still thoroughly enjoyed.
     
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    The criticisms on here are overstated. Their primary “indie” influences were European folk, 80s goth rock, and post-rock. It‘s not like there are passages inspired by The Shins or something. They released four great records that all did something distinct from its predecessor. And yeah, their last album was pretty pedestrian, but at least they had the sense to end the band before releasing 20 albums rehashing Pale Folklore.
     
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    EspaDa World Kekxtermination

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    The Mantle is definitely a great album, but it's Ashes Against the Grain that does the job for me. It's their creative apex tbh. Pale Folkore is great as well. And The Mantle has Agalloch's best track - In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion. Otherworldly stuff.
     
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