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Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by The Ozzman, Mar 17, 2008.
I agree with everything here.
I dunno man... I just cant get round the silliness. I mean, the way I see it, there are two kinds of silly.
'awesome' silly, like Nile's Masturbating the War God, then theres 'this is an embaressment to metal' silly, like Anihilators's Knight jumps Queen.
Its a shame, cos I really like the music, & production. But the silly lyrics & crap vocals really dont do it for me.
I dunno why people always compare DT to Symphony X. I mean, other than that theyre both prog bands with high levels of musicianship, I cant see much similarity. Most of Michael Romeo's stuff is Diatonic, Most of John Petrucci's stuff is Mode-based. & its not just the guitars either, The Symphony X drummer is much more concise than Mike Portnoy. When was the last time you heard Symphony's drummer filling for two bars in the middle of nowhere?
Its like that unmerited Nile/Behemoth comparison that always seems to pop up. Other than being in similar genres or the same in the case of DT & SX there isnt that much in common.
I was speaking from a dynamic and production standpoint. And 'old' is referring mainly to the 'Awake' album... Sy-X tend to sound as if they're trying to play 'The Mirror/Lie' backwards, forwards, diagonally, and zig-zagged, on many of their songs.
Yeah DT and SX eally arent very much alike other than that they are prog metal bands that uses clean vocals (which really doesnt say a whole lot). With that being said I definately prefer DT to SX any day of the week. Im not sure if the "drummer filling for two bars in the middle of nowhere" comment was meant as a negative but for me thats a positive with DT in general. SX often drift to far into the uninspired power metal land for my taste.
and re: Portnoy, I don't think I've ever heard him play anything that excited me. I hate almost every drum sound he's ever had on any album (it's pretty good on the first OSI), and his brand of technicality and feel is just too bland and loose somehow. I don't know how exactly to explain it. But I generally just don't care or pay attention to anything anyone in DT does anymore except for Myung.
Yes I agree, it's extra annoying since Portnoy is a drummer who uses the snare drum quite often in fills.
It wasnt a negative, I was just point out what I saw as a striking difference between the two.
^ Annihilator seem like they would be a cool band but really they suck.
Symphony X impresses prog chicks or chicks for that matter ?, interesting. I'm assuming fat chicks.
what does a prog chick look like ?
A wolf in sheep's clothing.
Actually, the one I had in mind was actually pretty damn cute.
But for the most part, just normal girls. Who are just far, far too fangirlish for their own good. The bad side of it is listening to music that you don't really like to impress someone else. Really not good for the old self esteem.
Like Michael Romeo.
I like some bands like Oracle (Gibraltar) and Hels (Swe) that no one has heard of more than I like a lot of the stuff people on here wank over.
All you need from Symphony X is TDG, DWOT, and TIO. All of the stuff after that, along with their debut is pretty lackluster.
Same, except different bands, haven't heard those bands. But the thing is with the more unknowns, if you don't have a huge slobbering chorus of people behind you on the opinion, you tend to be looked at like a fanboy if you rave over them. uke: Quite mysterious..
You like TIO? I have heard TIO, V, Oddyssey and paradise lost and to me TIO is by far the worst. Uninspired and really quite boring and bad. I also tend to think that V is very overrated. Alot of people view it as Symphony X's masterpiece. I just cant see why. Loads better than TIO though.
This, and what OCI said, are correct.
They have some killer tone and some killer moments, but they make very silly sounding songs. Even their best albums are plagued with stupid sounding choruses and songs.
I like Paradise Lost by SX. Most of it is pretty good imo.
People shouldn't talk about horribly average bands like Dream Theater and Symphony X when good prog metal exists. That's my controversial opinion.
I find Odin's Court more enjoyable than both.