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Dakryn's Batshit Theory of the Week

Discussion in 'GMD Social Forum' started by Ender Rises, May 19, 2007.

  1. Einherjar86

    Einherjar86 Active Member

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    I know; especially if those abortions are being paid for by others. Obviously if people want to have children, then they'll put the money into it; I'm simply saying that if you offer people abortions covered under health care, many people will take advantage of them, regardless of the mental/physical trauma they might endure.

    Let me try and say it this way: if my neighbor's house burns down, and an investigation determines that it was arson (by a third party), or some unavoidable circumstance, I might be willing to offer compensation to aid in the reparations for that family. However, if the house burned down because someone left a cigarette balancing precariously on an ashtray, I would be less willing to offer my services in repairing their comfort.

    Likewise, if a fourteen year old girl is raped, I can agree with the government authorizing her to draw from some pool of funds that would pay for an abortion and counseling for her. However, I'm not willing to pay for pregnancies that happen between two consenting parties; that is something within their control, and something I should not be responsible for.

    Obviously I'm drawing lines that may be difficult to practically enforce; but ideally, this is how I feel. A pool of money for extreme cases such as the one I described would require much less from people than one that is designed to cover all abortions, regardless of the circumstances. That is just asinine, in my opinion.
     
  2. skeptik

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    My point was that if money was the factor, then it doesn't matter if abortion was covered or not. If you are going to decide on whether to have a child or an abortion based on how much money it would cost, abortion would always be the choice. So arguing that more people would get abortions because it would be cheaper is off base, because not having the abortion is far more expensive.

    Why do people bother paying their taxes and getting car and health insurance if nothing is going to be paid for unless every single possible stipulation that voids them of all possible responsibility was met? This pool of money is also in case you are in this situation, you know. People don't want to have to take advantage of fire department services because their house burned down, regardless of what caused the fire.
     
  3. BlackMetalWhiteGuy

    BlackMetalWhiteGuy Manly Man!

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    Personally, I'd rather free them of their responsibilities than perpetuate the continuation of such irresponsible behaviors into future generations by forcing them to raise their own families.
     
  4. AchrisK

    AchrisK Weakling

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    And that is really the only point ITT. Federal tax dollars (mine and yours, indiscriminately) going to pay for something that some of us have a problem with (for whatever reason). Not just extreme cases, but every case covered under government health care.

    well said.
     
  5. Cythraul

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    If we would just abolish taxation we wouldn't have to talk about this shit. Problem solved.
     
  6. V.V.V.V.V.

    V.V.V.V.V. Houses Ov Mercury

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    Yeah but then we can't pay for like anything at all unless we go with your incredibly crazy scheme which you still haven't fully explained which assumes everyone cooperates which doesn't work.
     
  7. Cythraul

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    First of all, where does my "scheme" involve the assumption that everyone cooperates? Second of all, why exactly is the supposition that everyone cooperates necessary for my view to work? Lastly, why exactly is it necessary that there be an aggressive institution such as a government pushing people around in order for there to be general cooperation?
     
  8. V.V.V.V.V.

    V.V.V.V.V. Houses Ov Mercury

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    edit: I feel it's better off for everyone if I just drop this tbh.
     
  9. Cythraul

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    fucking a

    I had a very long response to your post before you edited it. But judging from the post to which I wrote a response, it's clear that you have no patience with me. You and I should probably not be discussing these sorts of things.
     
  10. V.V.V.V.V.

    V.V.V.V.V. Houses Ov Mercury

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    Nah probably not. I just read a lot of the stuff here and I remain very skeptical and unconvinced. I think it's more of a Locke vs. Hobbes thing for me. Perhaps you have much greater faith in people not forming states when the "actual state" is abolished than I do.
     
  11. genocide roach

    genocide roach DOOOOOOOOOOM

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    oh this could be fun

    ~gR~
     
  12. Krigloch the Furious

    Krigloch the Furious Pants full of poo

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8219022.stm

     
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    -CC- Something in My Eye

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    meh, anarchism..been there, done that...doesn't work bro
     
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    mutantllama Awesome custom title

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    Oh wow.
     
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    cookiecutter Proceed to Ultraslamming

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    Don't start this again
     
  16. V.V.V.V.V.

    V.V.V.V.V. Houses Ov Mercury

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    Works only under very specific conditions and necessitates full faith in the actions of sovereign individual people.
     
  17. Cythraul

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    wow, you've totally changed my mind, bro.
     
  18. Einherjar86

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    I wanna be anarchy!
     
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    Dak mentat

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