I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum that have never given The Deftones the attention and appreciation that they deserve due to their widespread mainstream success, but fuck that and fuck you! They'll always be far over the heads of about 95% of their fan base and are easily the best commercially viable alt/metal/whatever act of the last 10 years (yes, this includes the pretentious overblown drivel that comprises 85% of any Tool album). I'd even go so far as to say that they've played a huge hand in shaping Katatonia's sound over the last few years. I'll bet anything that "White Pony" was in heavy rotation at the Katatonia camp during the writing and recording of "Last Fair Deal Gone Down." Perhaps most interestingly, as Katatonia have begun to sound more like The Deftones, The Deftones have drunk deeper from the well of melancholy in which Katatonia imbibe. Their last album, "Saturday Night Wrist," featured some totally bleak stuff as they've succeeded at capturing the ambiance of nocturnal desperation that is almost exclusive to Katatonia. When The Deftones want to rock out, they do it better than anyone. Just check out the monstrous guitar tone on "Bloody Cape": They know how to PARTY and have a good time too! I want to get krvnk with them. Oh.. and that guitar tone! Similarly, when the mood strikes, they can provide the perfect soundtrack to lovelorn contemplation with enough conviction to make a stone faced man drown in a pool of his own tears: In summation, The Deftones have always penned some of the most versatile and honest rock music ever while remaining completely true to themselves and ignoring all trends. They've outlived the "nu-metal" trend that they (arguably) spawned, not once falling into the same trappings that made their "contemporaries" so juvenile and laughable. Even if they receive the appreciation they deserve in term of records sales, it's unfortunate to know that their artistic merit has largely gone unsung. I eagerly await "Eros." Get off your "kvlt" horse, asshole!