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Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by VampyrRose, Feb 2, 2006.

  1. Death Animal

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    people just want to fight what is tröö-blackmetal.
    For me to poop on.
     
  2. Laeth MacLaurie

    Laeth MacLaurie New Metal Member

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    Yeah, that's it. I like some black metal bands, I must be a "true black metaller." Grow up, kid. Not everyone spends their life constructing an identity built out of the music they listen to.

    There isn't an "avant-garde" scene, you ninny. The avant-garde is off somewhere making collages of fart sounds, bird noises, feedback and silence. The "scene" you reference is the trip hop scene, which isn't avant-garde, isn't original and isn't being led from the front by Ulver.

    Kraftwerk. Thank you for playing.
     
  3. Fredy_Brown

    Fredy_Brown The Line Begins To blur.

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    You have no clue what trip-hop is.
     
  4. The_Harmathroditic_Ferret

    The_Harmathroditic_Ferret I Like Violence

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    I like Immortal, I've never heard Ulver
     
  5. Laeth MacLaurie

    Laeth MacLaurie New Metal Member

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    Portishead, Massive Attack etc. I suppose Ulver properly falls in with the rest of the 'post trip-hop' crowd, but we're not talking groundbreaking music here.
     
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    Fredy_Brown The Line Begins To blur.

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    Well you know what trip-hop is but Ulver definitely doesn´t fall under that label. It´s quite difficult to define Ulver, it has lot of elemnts and every album sounds different, but labeled it post trip-hop is wrong. It is alternative/electronica, you call it alson avant-garde, but not trip hop.
    Post trip-hop are Morcheeba, Alpha, Glideascope, Cibo Matto...
     
  7. Varg Vikernes

    Varg Vikernes Kvlt Black Metal Lord

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    Zero 7, Thievery Corporation, Boards of Canada, etc...

    Massive Attack is the best though.
     
  8. Laeth MacLaurie

    Laeth MacLaurie New Metal Member

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    Bullshit. It's not avant-garde. Avant-garde refers specifically to music pushing the boundaries of expression, which usually means sound collage, extreme ambient forms, noise etc. Ulver fits right in with a thousand other bands making soundtracky crap out of trip-hop beats and traditional ambient technique. Boooooring.
     
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    Fredy_Brown The Line Begins To blur.

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    Avant-gardish electro-ambient sounds right to me. I won´t admit it´s trip-hop, trip hop is downtempo electronic music evolved from hip hop and house using breakbeats. But breakbeats are included in lot of electro styles, that doesn´t necessarily mean trip-hop.
     
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    MadeInNewJersey nursing my wounds

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    Solefald is avant-garde.

    Modern-day Ulver is just shite.
     
  11. Laeth MacLaurie

    Laeth MacLaurie New Metal Member

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    How is it avant-garde ("ish" or in any other way)? The trip-hop elements are the only part of the band's current sound that emereged within the last 20 years. The rest of it was "avant-garde" in the 70s.
     
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    Fredy_Brown The Line Begins To blur.

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    He uses elements like saxophone, it separates his music from ambient to avant-garde.
     
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    Stop it, you ninny.
     
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    Fredy_Brown The Line Begins To blur.

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    You are so fucking embarrassing, go to listen to you senior metal and don´t bother me any more.
     
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    Lyle <3 azudai <3

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    i read in the shoppenhaur book i carry with me at all times (cover facing away from me, so ppl can see what i'm reading), that black metal inherently posits an anti-judeo-christian world view so i don't really see what you're on abotu.
     
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    Senior Metal?
     
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    The_Harmathroditic_Ferret I Like Violence

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    Schopenhauer is like 120 years before Black Metal... wha?
     
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    a&#183;vant-garde Audio pronunciation of "Avant-Garde" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (&#228;v&#228;nt-g&#228;rd, v&#228;nt-)
    n.

    A group active in the invention and application of new techniques in a given field, especially in the arts.


    adj.

    Of, relating to, or being part of an innovative group, especially one in the arts: avant-garde painters; an avant-garde theater piece.



    I've always applied Avant-Garde to being relatively similar to Progressive, but in a different such way.
     
  19. Laeth MacLaurie

    Laeth MacLaurie New Metal Member

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    PB, "avant-garde" has always been used in a musical context to refer to artists on the far flung edges of experimental music. In the early 20th century, that meant, say, serialism and other attempts at absolute music. Now, the avant-garde is working mostly with noise and extreme ambient sounds.
     
  20. The Subjugator

    The Subjugator METAL PADDY FAN(HEISMIME)

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    dur he means OLD SKOOL.

    the gay stuff with long hair. and leather.
     

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