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Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by VampyrRose, Feb 2, 2006.
people just want to fight what is tröö-blackmetal.
For me to poop on.
Yeah, that's it. I like some black metal bands, I must be a "true black metaller." Grow up, kid. Not everyone spends their life constructing an identity built out of the music they listen to.
There isn't an "avant-garde" scene, you ninny. The avant-garde is off somewhere making collages of fart sounds, bird noises, feedback and silence. The "scene" you reference is the trip hop scene, which isn't avant-garde, isn't original and isn't being led from the front by Ulver.
Kraftwerk. Thank you for playing.
You have no clue what trip-hop is.
I like Immortal, I've never heard Ulver
Portishead, Massive Attack etc. I suppose Ulver properly falls in with the rest of the 'post trip-hop' crowd, but we're not talking groundbreaking music here.
Well you know what trip-hop is but Ulver definitely doesn´t fall under that label. It´s quite difficult to define Ulver, it has lot of elemnts and every album sounds different, but labeled it post trip-hop is wrong. It is alternative/electronica, you call it alson avant-garde, but not trip hop.
Post trip-hop are Morcheeba, Alpha, Glideascope, Cibo Matto...
Zero 7, Thievery Corporation, Boards of Canada, etc...
Massive Attack is the best though.
Bullshit. It's not avant-garde. Avant-garde refers specifically to music pushing the boundaries of expression, which usually means sound collage, extreme ambient forms, noise etc. Ulver fits right in with a thousand other bands making soundtracky crap out of trip-hop beats and traditional ambient technique. Boooooring.
Avant-gardish electro-ambient sounds right to me. I won´t admit it´s trip-hop, trip hop is downtempo electronic music evolved from hip hop and house using breakbeats. But breakbeats are included in lot of electro styles, that doesn´t necessarily mean trip-hop.
Solefald is avant-garde.
Modern-day Ulver is just shite.
How is it avant-garde ("ish" or in any other way)? The trip-hop elements are the only part of the band's current sound that emereged within the last 20 years. The rest of it was "avant-garde" in the 70s.
He uses elements like saxophone, it separates his music from ambient to avant-garde.
Stop it, you ninny.
You are so fucking embarrassing, go to listen to you senior metal and don´t bother me any more.
i read in the shoppenhaur book i carry with me at all times (cover facing away from me, so ppl can see what i'm reading), that black metal inherently posits an anti-judeo-christian world view so i don't really see what you're on abotu.
Schopenhauer is like 120 years before Black Metal... wha?
a·vant-garde Audio pronunciation of "Avant-Garde" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ävänt-gärd, vänt-)
A group active in the invention and application of new techniques in a given field, especially in the arts.
Of, relating to, or being part of an innovative group, especially one in the arts: avant-garde painters; an avant-garde theater piece.
I've always applied Avant-Garde to being relatively similar to Progressive, but in a different such way.
PB, "avant-garde" has always been used in a musical context to refer to artists on the far flung edges of experimental music. In the early 20th century, that meant, say, serialism and other attempts at absolute music. Now, the avant-garde is working mostly with noise and extreme ambient sounds.
dur he means OLD SKOOL.
the gay stuff with long hair. and leather.