Anytime... while wikipedia is a fun and easy accesible way to obtain information (which I happen to be addicted to) it is very likely that the likes of me (a mere high school junior with no credibility or rank) may have wrote it. Therefore, considering the source may have no credibility, it shouldn't even count as a source.
Even if we grant wikipedia some sort of validity as a source (which we should not, for the reasons others have already outlined, among others), note who isn't on the list...
Was it a book about Schopenhauer or one of his works say The World As Will and Representation which I doubt had a Black Metal chapter? Well I must admit that the imagery and public message on Darkthrone's Transylvanian Hunger album did keep me away from the band for some time, and I'm still yet to listen to Burzum. It would offend my evil Zionist ancestors
John Zorn - multi-instrumentalist, primary saxophonist that also coact on metal, but that wasn´t avant-garde and I think that you know it, Birkenau.
check out Bergtatt and Nattens Madrigal if you like black metal. Kveldssanger is an acoustic. Anything after is hard to classify. Perdition City is electronic, and Blood Inside is an avant-garde ambientish album. Their later material is an acquired taste, not everyone will like it I never said it was run by Ulver retard. The only Ulver album even close to avant-garde is Blood Inside. True avant-garde bands, such as Solefald and Fleurety, don't make the exact same sound as one album(Transylvanian Hunger) as do 99% of black metal bands. If you want to keep defending bands who sound exactly the same and have no talent whatsoever, be my guest
I can agree with what you're saying here but I wouldn't discount music such as later Peccatum and other Black Metal spin-off projects as not being Avant-Garde, even if they're not part of the Avant-Garde scene. Regardless, I still wouldn't consider Ulver Avant-Garde because the music they put out is in no way original and follows guidelines of it's own genre.
Ondskapt, DSO, Baptism, and Hell Militia all suck; Mutiilation hasn't done anything good since "Remains...", and Funeral Mist is no more. I haven't heard Lurker of Chalice, but given the bands that they're listed next to, I'd guess that they suck, too.
You certainly implied it, now try again. Good of you to backpeddle... Indiepop with black metal aesthetics isn't exactly "avant-garde" You mean like Bergtatt and Nattens Madrigal? And which of these bands have I been defending...or are you just talking out of your ass (again)?
You really are a idiot lol .. you can say that about any music genre.. be it metal, rock, blues , jazz etc.. and frankly im puzzled why you hang out in a metal website/board... ive never seen you say anything good about any metal band or metal genre.. so why bother coming on this board? did mommy block the porn sites from your computer?
LoC is a leviathan's side project, actually not really much bm, more ambient, and Arioch is currently working at a new funeral mist album. i wonder what do you consider good black metal album then...... ? PS: i don't think Dead wanted black metal to be avantgarde at all.
