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Dimmu Borgir thrashed by Cleveland radio DJ, his email addy enclosed!

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by thespectralsorrows, Aug 19, 2004.

  1. anonymousnick2001

    anonymousnick2001 World's Greatest Vocalist

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    Well, good. I'm glad you're doing something about it.

    :lol: Globalization hardly equals mediocrity. Americans have their own culture as well. There are some things that are decidedly American, and they are beautiful things. I bet you've never met an American nationalist. They sure do exist. Perhaps what you're witnessing is Swedish people tossing aside nationalism and Swedish culture for this newfound world culture. But regardless of how globalized a world becomes, the loss of individualism and individual cultures cannot occur. There will always be heritage, and there there will always be unique tradiiton. What globalization seeks to do is integrate all cultures into one without destryoing the individual and simultaneously crushign separatism. What you're witnessing is the crushing of boundaries meant for separation, as opposed to uniqueness. Isolation is hardly a good thing. Individualism is the opposite. Know who you are, but also know that you are not the only one. Compromise.

    Now that you mention it, I respect a listener who can listen to Astriaal and Mandy Moore side-by-side, because they represent the open mindset and diversity not reflected in the exclusive listeners.
     
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    QED
     
  3. Krigloch the Furious

    Krigloch the Furious Pants full of poo

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    I just wanna know why people dislike dimmu????
     
  4. V.V.V.V.V.

    V.V.V.V.V. Houses Ov Mercury

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    Because they fucking suck now.
     
  5. Under The Oak

    Under The Oak Ens Causa Sui

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    Ah, I see now. You're one of the Swedes who sees their culture diluting and wants to blame America and Christians for it. I've always thought thats funny. For starters, if you love that pagan stuff so much, why all the black metal or anti-christian shit? If you want to hold onto your pagan culture, thats cool, I'm all for that, but don't fucking start with the anti-christian shit, or that BECOMES your culture. So ironically, you're responsible for the downfall of your own culture, by perpetuating the "anti-" crap. And as you say, a world full of grey people IS boring, so why do you hate anyone who isnt what you want them to be? You are so moronically contradicting yourself, but you still lash back at America as a last defense. Keep the laughs coming, kid.
     
  6. crimsonfloyd

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    The fact that "bitch", a derogatory and degrading word towards females is acceptable but a word used to describe fecal mater and a word used to describe sex (both perfectly natural acts) are not shows how backwards this country is. And then you wonder why others get confused!? Oh and not everyone in the world watches the Super Bow and not everyone follows American media. I mean I know a fair share of people in the USA who don't know about the whole Jannet Jackson fiasco, so one could only imagine what it's like in other countries...

    *EDIT* Hey I thought there were only two pages to this thread... sorry for throwing this back to page one...
     
  7. Necro Joe

    Necro Joe Answer the chicken

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    Oh man what a worthless post this is. If Eric is upset by the destruction of his native culture and traditions to make way for a culture which (he belives) is rooted in Christian ideals then of course he is going to become anti-christian since the only other alternatives are to passivly accept (or encourage as Nick is suggesting) the change taking place. So the anti-christianity is just a reaction to what he sees as an agressive intrusion by another culture/religion. Your idea that this is somehow becoming his culture and replacing his traditional values is laughable and pathetic. His hate does not come from a dislike of things which are different but rather from desire not to see his culture destroyed.

    Until you can form a coherent argument (or at least understand someone elses) I seriously suggest you keep your badly thought out views to yourself.
     
  8. Unfaithfully Metalhead

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    Compromise... how American. No -- what I am witnessing is the D E S T R U C T I O N of our native culture, much like you destroyed Native American culture. See, I realize that there are other cultures, and I respect them -- I love the fact that there are still pagan tribes in the world who have yet to succumb to Christianity or American anti-culture -- but I realize that first and foremost, I have my OWN culture and traditions which I should cherish and carry on. A world full of grey fucking people with no identity is boring.

    You obviously see no value in native culture, so anything I say is like speaking to a fucking brick wall. Perhaps get out of your fucking Christian mindset and try again.[/QUOTE]

    Just thought I let you know that Native American Culture is alive and well in the U.S.A.There land was taken away or homes were destroyed not their culture. You should visit our country and go to the various Indian reservations before you make such statements. As for American itself we embrace all different cultures from around the world and integrate some of them into American culture (I'm sure there must be something from the Swedish culture in our country perhaps in Minnesota since i believe alot of Swedish immigrants have migrated to that state decades ago). If you do not believe that then obviously you never visited NYC or other large cities throughout the United States.I hope you never thought our whole country is nothing but WASP's (white anglo saxon protestants) and that we only have culture from such people. We are a what we call a melting pot of different people from different countries hence different cultures. Since I never been to your country and do not know your culture the only things i can think of that i give a shit about your country is your Hot blonde females & Swedish meatballs(taste great). As for globalization, it has already begun and it has not started with the U.S.A. if anything it has started when the European Union was formed and the Eurodollar came to being. Your country is far away from ours so if you should be more afraid of other European countries' cultures invading your country not ours. What exactly from our culture is in your country right now? Hot Dog vendors on street corners? (it's a assumption and a joke not to be taken seriously) Mcdonalds, Kentucky Fried chicken, Burger King, coca cola etc. being sold in your country? (face it we make superior products if we didnt then we would be eating or wearing Sweden's products).. Besides American fast food restaurants do open in alot of countries but the food on their menu caters to local tastes not american tastes (this i know because ive eaten at Mcdonalds and other restaurants in other countries). As for christian culture, I would say Islamic culture is a whole lot more of a threat then christian culture ever is or was. Our country is one of different religions since freedom of religion is practiced here. But I choose for now at least to be a atheist since I think God(s) are nothing but manmade and organized religion (including paganism & satanism) is just another way for humans to control others . If you want to be a pagan dancing naked around a campfire while trying to sing in ancient tongues more power to you it's your right (laugh im just making a stereotype of paganism like others make of satanism and christianity). So anyways grow up and embrace our culture as we do yours and other cultures. We are not out to destroy Swedish culture no matter what you believe. Everyone can learn from each other's culture and embrace the good aspects of each. :wave:
     
  9. Unfaithfully Metalhead

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    Your welcome Erik. Things do get heated in GMD sometimes (well most of the times actually lol ) . Thank you for your friendly response. I respect opinions more when not attacked.
     
  10. Under The Oak

    Under The Oak Ens Causa Sui

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    Boy, so many idiots here. You completely missed my point. Preserving one's culture should not involve retaliating in the complete opposite direction of the invading culture's beliefs. If that were somehow involved, you'd see crap like anti-Viking music by Christians because Vikings slaughtered them. You don't see Christians taking Norse mythology and supporting the "evil gods" as retaliation to Vikings either.

    The whole satanic and anti-christian idea is gay, thats practically what I'm saying. They stole the other extreme of Christian belief and their own pagan beliefs subsided shortly afterwards. If you don't even believe in Christianity, its all the more retarded to "praise satan", you can't have one without the other. Plus, despite invading cultures or religions, people have kept their beliefs in secret for thousands of years, passed them down through generations in the form of songs, writings and stories, so don't tell me there's no alternative other than "become anti-christian" or "passively accept (or encourage as Nick is suggesting) the change taking place". It's no as reasonable or simple as you think it is.
     
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    It's called "flatland" and I agree. It's different to live in Scandinavia and see it creep in (making it much more noticeable) and to sit here in the fucking middle of it and watch 85% of the people you know scurry about in their brainwashed lives, focusing on what new shit they're going to put on their car, where to buy their clothes, what new crappy movie to see at the theatre, what crappy radio bands to listen to that have been forced down their throats. No one thinks for themselves. No one READS anymore, nothing that isn't in magazines anyway. We are a culture of obesity, contentment, shallowness, advertising and 85% of us are ASLEEP TO IT ALL. The average American spends 2 YEARS of their life watching commercials. Need I say more?

    On the other hand, there ARE many of us who reject the shallowness of commercialism, advertising, consumerism, spiritual flatland, etc. There ARE many Americans who live wholesome, enriching, daring, questioning lives. Most are labeled "deviants" and such, but it doesn't matter. It's true, I do want to get out of this country and see the rest of the world, other lands, other cultures (I'm probably going to study a semester abroad in London, France, Sweden or Germany) and know that culture is something that should be eclectic, multiple and vast, to be aware that we are all fucking people on this earth despite of culture. I want to travel and live... but at the same time, I love this country and I wouldn't change my birth and growing-up in America for anything in the world (including Swedish meatballs).

    I can see your point, shit knows I can see it. But at the same time, your hatred is a bit harsh and misdirected.
     
  12. AjDeath

    AjDeath Of One Man's Sanity

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    Clear Channel, the company that dropped Stern and is going draconian on every one, owns 90% of American radio, and a hell of a lot of venues that bands play at. 90%! That is a small amount of people telling us what we shouldn't and should hear. A popular station around where I live used to swear and do all sorts of crazy shit. Clear Channel bought them and now they are clean as a whistle. And this bullshit was made possible by George W. Bush and his massive deregulation campaign. He is still a douche.
     
  13. Necro Joe

    Necro Joe Answer the chicken

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    When did this turn into a debate about metal lyrics? You attacked Eric's anti-christian stance and stated that it is his hatred that is the direct cause of his culture being destroyed. This is just a childish knee-jerk reaction to a (perfectly sensible) claim that Christianity may be having a negative effect on the traditional cultures of places like Sweden.
     
  14. AjDeath

    AjDeath Of One Man's Sanity

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    I do not understand why you couldn't be this resonable in the first place. I agree to everything stated in this post. WHen you just attack America, it comes off as childish. I know America is drowning in it's own arrogance, most Ameicans that post on UM do. Try being less arrogant yourself, because saying, "America bad, poopy", comes off that way. Good points nevertheless.
     
  15. anonymousnick2001

    anonymousnick2001 World's Greatest Vocalist

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    Well, knowing this I can understand why you were being harsh.

    Yes, I know that. World culture is a culmination of all of those cultures without destroying them. I don't know if you've ever been to New York City, but that is a great example of people from distinct and diverse backgrounds coming together and sharing a little of everyone else's. It can be seen in ethnic neiborhoods, restaurants, accents, and other places I can't even fathom at the moment.

    Perhaps your view of globalism is different from mine.

    Things have to get worse before they get better. Eventually, a resurgence of nationalist spirit will most likely cause Swedish heritage and general Swede-ness to re-emerge in the populace. This always happens after the initial advent of so-called 'Americanization.' Traditions just don't die without a fight. Eventually they will be integrated into the new global culture. Sweden will always be Swedish.

    That does not have to occur. America is hardly one big gray mess.


    That first line was unnecessary. The destruction of Native American culture is a dark part of my nation's history, and I know I will live the rest of my life regretting the mistake of my forefathers. What we can do now is attempt to rebuild and regain the spirit of the Native American culture in those still alive. All is not lost. It's not good, but there is no rule saying that Native Americans must remain in reservations. I hope that in my lifetime I can see a resurgence in native pride and the re-emergence of some aborted semblance of the Native American tribes' former glory in some way. We must look to the youth. They are constantly seeking their roots. Maybe if we as a nation work together, they will find them. I only hope.

    These are all generalizations. I see the opposite, in fact. This in no way contradicts the dire need for globalization.

    I think they should all be abnned, or they should all be allowed. I fear the latter as this provides the opportunity for abuse. That may seem vague, but draw your own conclusions as to how someone like Howard Stern can degrade pop culture if given free reign.

    I feel deeply sorry that Erik is seeing the destruction of his native culture. That may seem pointless and foolish over a BB, but I sympathize with anyone who feels something so personal as this. He should not have to. I'm simply trying to suggest that globalization does not have to be destruction. All the globalization that I have witnessed has been increasingly positive. I can only hope that the end result is not a destruction of swedish or any other culture, but a true merging of American worldview with sWedish custom and tradiiton as is intended.

    Your post was good-natured and polite, but this piece of fallacious dogshit has furrowed my brow in disappointment at you. This is a myth. Islam has never had the Christian mindset of spreading the reliigon and forcing it upon other people. Our religion forbids forced conversion. All conversion should be a conscious decision of the converter, otherwise he/she is not a true Muslim. Islam has room for other cultures under its umbrella. The only warning was given as a precaution that on Judgement Day, the nonbelievers would be judged by Allah for their lack of faith. Every day, prayer for the forgiveness of these people(a large number, y'know) is undertaken by Muslims. Do not misjudge or make blatantly false statements that reflect ignorance, please.

    I lament your hopelessness. Just have faith. Your culture will not die. Ever. Trust me. It will resurface. Sweden will always be Sweden. Allow the people of your country to share some thigns with America. It's not all that bad. And if you think it is, the onset of infatuation is short-lived. You have to trust me.


    For the record, I don't think I have done any less.

    There are far more of us than you might think. I don't know where you live, but the people I know are eager to be worldbeat and show a geniune interest in other cultures and tradiitons. Many have preserved some aspect of their cultural heritage, and many also partake in American tradiitonalism as well.

    I consider the closed-minded people in my country to be the deviants from what America is all about. Sicne the beginning, we have always attempted to be global. Only when Wilson first brought the idea to life did it truly take off. W're people, too. We have to evolve. After civil rights and such came about, only then did the true spirit of globalization sweep the nation. 9/11 aided it with some nationalism, and now I see people making severe efforts to try and understand other cultures. In that respect, I suppose 9/11 did us some good. Hopefully, we can fully realize the concept of a "global village" before another attack on our nation is required, as horrible as that sounds. 9/11 was a reminder of how fragile life is, and how we can't afford to not share ours with the world.
     
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    Psychonaut God Of Emptiness

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    Holy shit. No way am I reading all of this...
     
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    anonymousnick2001 World's Greatest Vocalist

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    I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make that so long.
     
  18. Unfaithfully Metalhead

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    Nick, saying Islam doesnt try to spread its religion and force it upon people is ignorant in my opinion and something someone who is a follower of a religion would say be it islam, christianity, satanism, judiasm etc. If History has shown us anything is that organized religions always try to spread their religions and try to force their beliefs upon others. The christians did it with the Crusades and Islam did it with its invasions of Spain, Italy, North Africa etc. in the Dark ages. And even though christianity was barbaric in the past for example the Spanish Inquisition. Islam continues to be so to this day. Im sure you have seen the same news stories as me. It's muslim's chopping peoples heads off not other way around. I'm christian by birth but i do not support it because to me all organize religion was created by man to control its believers. Religion is like Politics. Both want absolute power over people. I have no doubt if Muslims were able to take control of the American Gov't or invade the United States for that matter alot of us would be executed or persecuted for our beliefs in religion and other aspects of life. To me the only religion i can tolerate as being peaceful in its' beliefs is buddhism and its leader the Dalai Lama. But im not buddhist its just a example. Like i said Organized religion sux and I wont let it control me like it does everyone else who follows them. Anyways Nick if your muslim i apologize and respect your beliefs but I just never see any good in Islam thats not to say all muslims aren't good cause there are good muslims. But just pisses me off when a muslim gets on TV and says things about 9/11 or other terrorists acts and say: "I dont support what they do but i sympathize and understand why they did it.." thats fucking BS... they are glad it was done as long as a muslim wasn't killed. and to me that isn't right.
     
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    I don't care for the US or Dimmu Borgir. I'm not offended by hearing "fucking bullshit" on the radio, either. In this case, though, it is you, Erik, who is being the arrogant asshole. It is not the responsibility of the country you are visiting to make sure that you are informed of the laws, that falls upon you. What could be more arrogant than going somewhere and saying "I'm not going to obey or educate myself about the rules of your country. Instead, I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want and when it presents a problem, I'll whine that it's someone else's fault." Get real, man.

    And by the way, why did everyone drift so far off topic? Nick, please step down from your pulpit.
     
  20. anonymousnick2001

    anonymousnick2001 World's Greatest Vocalist

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    Your point is well made.

    Yikes, yeah I really did get that soapbox syndrome back there. I just felt inspired to post my best shot and all, but I don't know, I like that topics can now drift off course like they used to be able to on this board. It was rather interesting discussion, don't you think?

    I'm sorry, but I feel as it is you who is being ignorant. Islamic conquerors may have invaded other nations back in the day, but it was never a mission of the religion to conscript others into the religion. Christianity has a long history of missionaries travelling off to other lands and quietly spreading religion under the guise of economic and educational aid.

    Those monsters on TV that are chopping off heads are staining Islam with their utter blasphemy and pure evil. They are barely people, much less Muslims. Even they know that. Using the religion as a front is the easiest way to deflect a lot of flak.

    You can have your views of organized religion, but your view of Islam is still quite jilted. Muslims are not a fucking cult or organization or something. If by that you meant that a Muslim president took office, I'm sure he would be an American first and deal with the needs of Americans before even attempting to do anything for Islam, if he would even do it at all. Those people on TV are extremists. Psychos. Nothing more.
     

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