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Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by The Ozzman, Mar 20, 2008.
Name some songs.
All of them.
Catchiness = something that is memorable. If you can't remember it, it's cuz it ain't worth remembering, because it sucks. If it isn't concise, it means it meanders on for way too long. Something that's boring, forgettable, and meandering is shitty. I was saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to all prog.
That argument isn't going to work.
Funny, I can remember damn near every part to Dream Theater's discography. You can't just toss in the cd and except instant gratification like you could from some shitty death metal band.
uh...if it was shitty death metal, it wouldn't gratify me much, would it?
I said I liked the band. What more do you want?
Doesn't sound like you enjoy the band. And it's pretty ironic you are getting annoyed with me asking you questions.
Time to get this back on track:
What's everyone's favorite track from the new album?
I take that back, I don't know yet.
I'm annoyed with you bugging with me because I find that when every fucking song is 20 minutes it gets a little tedious.
And I do have ADD, according to the pill-pushers. As far as I'm concerned, though, I'm perfectly normal. I listen to plenty of lengthy stuff, but some bands know when to switch it up. I generally dislike it when every song is the same length - this applies to shortness as well.
EDIT: Double ninja'd, and I don't have the new album. But my favorite track on Octavarium was I Walk Beside You.
Because, the length of a song should have nothing to do with the content of the song itself. I don't understand. You buy a cd packed with 60 minutes of music featuring 10 songs, how is that any different than 60 minutes of music divided up into 5 songs?
What if I don't want to listen to the entire CD?
But mostly, because the 10 minute songs tend to be stretched out with unnecessarily long intros, instrumental sections, etc.
Bringing up yet another point. You should expect that with DT, let alone prog in general. So I don't really understand what you are trying to say here. Regardless, just forget about it.
That was what I said a couple posts back, but you refused to drop it.
Kevin Moore was a one of a kind keyboardist and it was tragedy when he just up and lost it, and started making electronic music. He could also do all kinds of interesting stuff when not soloing, rather than Jordan Rudess playing follow the guitar between solo spots.
Personally, I like older Dream Theater better than their newer stuff, but Systematic Chaos is a huge step up from Train of Thought and Octavarium, even if James LaBrie's high range is hardly used at all (come on, give us the gonzo high notes like in "Take The Time". He's got his voice back, so do it!). I thought "Prophets of War" and "Constant Motion" were lame, but "Forsaken" is far cooler than it had any right to be, considering the vague similarities to Evanescence. "The Dark Eternal Night" would have been much better if Mike Portnoy didn't do his feeble attempt at death growls or thrash vocals or whatever the fuck that was supposed to be and the Petrucci's guitar wasn't so downtuned it sounded like a coffee grinder (he needs to ditch the whole distorted tone he uses right now, it resembles that of the remastered Rust in Peace in a very bad way).
Anyone who thinks Dream Theater is boring should get an earful of Pagan's Mind or Circus Maximus. Guaranteed to cure insomnia within 15 minutes. For added (bad) flavor, Circus Maximus gives you a nice fat mallcore guitar tone, while Pagan's Mind offers an incredibly lifeless imitation of Geoff Tate who is multitracked to Vapor Trails and back.
"In the Presence of Enemies" is one of the best DT songs ever. Holy SHIT.
I meant the vocalist, tbh...
Dream Theater are awesome. I got Scenes From A Memory and Falling Into Infinity. I like both albums, but for different reasons. I dont like the mellow stuff they did on Scenes For A Memory, but Home and The Dance Of Eternity more than make it up for me.
Parts of Falling Into Infinity are incredible, especially "Trial of Tears", which is absolutely not metal but an amazing and emotional piece of prog rock. "Lines in the Sand"'s man riff is what a groove REALLY is, not some stop-start bullshit like "Walk". I recommend you get the FII demos from Ytsejam, as you get an extended "Lines in the Sand", other songs with added portions, "Raise the Knife" (which is awesome), and an instrumental rehearsal of "Metropolis Pt. 2" which is like Scenes from a Memory with all of the awesome stuff (except "Home", unfortunately) and none of the fat that dragged that album down. On the other hand, the demos have some pretty bad vocal performances from LaBrie, but the studio album wasn't exactly James's finest hour anyway.
Also, I really like "Just Let Me Breathe" and don't understand why many DT fans hate it so much.
So much potential, dashed to pieces by Atlantic Records, who wanted a pop album.
I liked the first song off of "Train of Thought", but I'm not at all a fan.
Am I the only one who thinks Octavarium, is one of their best, if not their best album?
Thread cleaned - and a couple of you better keep it clean.
When Dream and Day Unite: Got it on release (still have an original magazine ad for this too), LOVE It. Still one of my fav DT albums even though many don't care for Charlie's vocals. I thought it was a genuinely unique and genre changing (influencing) album.
Images and Words: Labrie comes on board, I miss Charlie but this is a killer album. And strangely again, genre changing. I say this two albums ina row because I remember back when both of these were released, and recall the insane amount of word of mouth both albums generated and how everyone wanted to mimic them.
Awake: My fav DT album. I loved the fat production, the mix, the song writing was heavier without losing the Prog Metal vibe. This and Images and Words is where I always recommend someone who hasn't heard Dt start.
A Change of Seasons (EP): At the time, probably the longest tune I had heard, and was amazed how it did not lose my interest. One of the better EPs to ever come out.
Falling Into Infinity: This is where they started to lose me. FII has a couple decent tunes, but all in all... bleh. Equivalent to Metallica's Load/Unload change.
Scenes From a Memory: Hm, was ok to me. Many folks choose this as their fav, I was always baffled by that. Maybe it is because I started with the earlier stuff, who knows. Album was "ok" but if you were to offer me a million dollars right now, I couldn't hum you one song from it.
Train of Thought: Meh. See above. Everything from Scenes and on start to sound the same to me. I don't hear the innovation I heard on earlier albums, nor the diversity (WARNING: PERSONAL OPINION!).
Octavarium: Much better than the pervious two, but again, I no longer feel connected to the music like on earlier albums. From this album on (well, probably Tot on, I always listen to DT before buying, sadly).
Systematic Chaos: The better of the post-Awake albums for me. There's some new stuff going on here, it's diverse and yet flows together well. I still need to listen to it more but I kinda like this one, though nowhere near as much as Awake and prior.