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Fest Attendance: Successful vs. Fun

Discussion in 'Heathen Crusade' started by Inazone, Dec 2, 2008.

  1. Dark One

    Dark One The Tainted Dogma

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    While I completely understand what you're saying here, and while there may be a bit of overstating based on the diehards that frequent the forum, I honestly wouldn't worry too much about it if I were John based on what I stated earlier:

    I simply can't imagine $75 ticket prices being a deal breaker for those who spend so much more just for travel, lodging and non-band entertainment/sustenance for the weekend. I think this is especially true now that the die hard (and mostly non-local) fanbase is more or less wholly established.

    Jason
     
  2. War Ensemble

    War Ensemble Enos, You Dipstick!

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    I agree


    Thanks! :headbang:


    Do we want to take credit for Decker? :loco:
     
  3. JayKeeley

    JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer!

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    Some rough numbers:

    HC Total Headcount: ~250
    Rooms booked at Holiday Inn under "HC fest rate": ~105

    On average, I would say there are 2 people per room [minimum]. So let's go with 210 folks who travel in to see HC.

    Yeah, you can probably give and take some numbers. Perhaps there are locals who choose to stay at the hotel. There's a whole slew of permutations here.

    Assuming Jason's logic is correct -- that is, people who book flights, hotels, etc aren't going to bat an eyelid at paying $80 per ticket -- those 40 or so locals who aren't willing to fork out extra are hereby redundant.

    And the truth is, some locals will pay the higher price, so we won't even lose all 40 but for arguments sake:

    210 * $80 = $16,800

    versus

    250 * $30 = $7,500

    (Was it $30 per ticket? I don't know since I sponsored.)

    Either way, HC thrives on its out of towners. It's practically a private party at this point.
     
  4. Inazone

    Inazone UE Guitarist

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    Although I'm sure that any festival promoter would prefer to envision something on a larger scale, I think the private party environment is the way to go for metal. The people that attend are (usually) far more passionate about the music and sense of community than most other genres. The fact that some would even sponsor bands demonstrates that. Hell, if not for some changes in my own living situation (having to take on another roommate) I was going to offer to host a band or some show-goers at my house, just to save someone the cost of a hotel and cab fare. Oh well, maybe next year.

    Like I was mentioning in another thread, I'm sure there are some untapped sponsor ideas, opportunities for authentic food, and perhaps more "community involvement" options that could add to the experience . . . and maybe the attendance levels.
     
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    Ah, ok, that's the exact sort of demographic data I would be looking for as an organizer. I had no idea the hotel was that well-used for HC. Then yeah, raising ticket prices probably won't have too much of effect on attendance; my main doubt was "how many HCers are really out-of-towners?", not "would out-of-towners be willing to pay a higher ticket price?" And you can even count at at least 3 out-of-town rebels like me who stayed at other hotels!

    Even that big dollar number is still frightfully small when divided across all the performers. :erk:

    :lol:

    I mainly give him credit for opening a Nightfall Records store in Chicago in the late 90s, which was a great place to hang out, likely because Decker was 400 miles away most of the time.

    Neil
     
  6. JayKeeley

    JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer!

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    I think regardless of demographics, the one thing we can all say for certain is that the HC fest tickets are drastically under-priced whichever way you slice and dice it.
     
  7. Reign in Acai

    Reign in Acai Gnats before thy gums

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    Not every band is being paid to perform. Several of the acts volunteered to pay their own way to play in front of this esteemed contingent. The higher acts on the bill aren't making much of the way in profit either. Free hotel, ticket to the states, some booze, and a platform to have horns raised in their name.
     
  8. JayKeeley

    JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer!

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    oh and I just realized that I didn't book under the HC rate, I went through hotwire dot com as did Jason. (And we had separate rooms). That's 2 plus your 3 more out-of-towners!

    Let's face it, the only locals who showed up were John the promoter, Brian, and the angry barman. :loco:
     
  9. Maggotcrusher666

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    Definitely a lack of locals at the fest. At pretty much every swordlord productions show ( which is about the only decent shows we ever get ) you see the same people for most of the shows yet very few of them bothered to come out for heathen crusade both last year and this year. Seems like only power metal and jolly folk metal is popular here. Kind of sad because station 4 was packed for paganfest and finntroll the year before and I swear we didn't have near that many people for heathen crusade.:erk:
     
  10. Jasonic

    Jasonic Doom On!

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    Hey,
    I was not at the fest, but just wanted to say that I am in agreement that if you choose to stay with an underground niche style, then you are justified in raising the price.

    If a couple hundred traveled, then they would do so still with an addition of $20, let's say, to the ticket price.

    I remember a couple years back, a 2-day pass to Chicago Powerfest was $50. Pretty much anyone in attendance held the feeling of, "It was worth paying $50 to see Nocturnal Rites"

    Underground metal will always have a core niche audience.
    I think you guys are doing everything just fine.
    No need to try to compete for bands who tour regularly now.
    If you do, the remainder of your line up will suffer if you spend all the sponsorship on one big band, who folks can see anytime anyhow.

    Someone mentioned NIGHTFALL RECORDS in Chicago.
    Was this the store on Lawrence?
    I went there once, I think almost 10 years ago or so.
    From what I recall, it was primarily death and black metal, though it was a huge Iced Earth poster that drew me into the store! :lol:
     
  11. LadyofShalott

    LadyofShalott New Metal Member

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    As a first time attendee, i found no problem with the number of people that attended. It gives a great opportunity to really meet and get to know other dedicated people, you can talk to the bands sometimes, and i believe the smaller crowd keeps the atmosphere much more friendly. it was nice to run into the same people more than once. i agree that advertising is an issue here, in chicago there are several locations frequented by metal heads, and there was no advertisement that i could tell for HC3 there, flyers and posters with a great design would help a lot if you really wanted to boost the attendance. but then again, do you really want to? it would be terrible if the glorious music HC brings would begin have the same fate as black metal is experiencing now *shivers*. yeah, raising the ticket prices would be fine, i'd pay more for it, but if its raised too much and the bands i really wanted to see cancel again, it would be a less appealing event to attend. and what about generally extended holiday weekends that no one really celebrates but has work off anyways? those are good times for a 2 day fest.
     
  12. Climb Thar Hill

    Climb Thar Hill not family oriented

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    = more expensive airfare
     
  13. Ars Magna

    Ars Magna Ars Magna Recordings

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    The dreaded battle between want and need. It always sucks when reality has something to say about the state of metal.
     
  14. JayKeeley

    JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer!

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    Just buy your tickets at the last minute (or even at the door)
     
  15. LadyofShalott

    LadyofShalott New Metal Member

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    no kidding
     
  16. aztattooedsean

    aztattooedsean crazed tattooed metalhead

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    Wintersun- jolly folk metal? Eluveitie yes, korpiklaani yes but Wintersun?
     
  17. JayKeeley

    JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer!

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    Wintersun = DragonForce
     

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