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Discussion in 'Non-Metal' started by TheLocust, Dec 28, 2003.
Shai Hulud - hardcore
Candiria - hardcore + jazz + rap
Hatebreed - hardcore
early Vision of Disorder - hardcore
Not a single one is metalcore, simp. You really are an idiot, you know that?
You shouldn't have done that. Hardcore is abrasive, power chord based music descended directly from punk. Often it's ambient, it uses a simple, throbbing drum beat that seldom changes. Lyrics were typically political in nature. HC was the precursor of grindcore. Hardcore is basically dead. Key bands were Discharge, Ambebix, The Exploited, Reagan Youth, etc. The bands you mention use groove riffing, frequent time signature changes, screamo vocals, and far more varied drumming. Lyrics are angsty and juvenile. In short, you're a cumguzzling, ignorant kike. Get cancer.
There's one you don't hear every day.
Uhh... you... goddamned... TOOL. The above post is 100% disinformative. You have no clue about what you are talking of, especially in light of the lyrics comment. Hatebreed and Shai Hulud both have very positive and affirming lyrics which deal with taking a stand and living a life of action; they have the opposite of angsty and juvenile lyrics. I haven't paid attention to Candiria's lyrics, but they have no metal in their music, all the time changes (none whatsoever in Hatebreed's music, which is extremely simplistic pure hardcore with no metal at all) are taken from jazz, not metal, which I referenced in my first post.
I can't speak about VOD that much as I am not that familiar with their music, but the rest of the three bands I know very well and they are not metalcore at all. Candiria could POSSIBLY fit in that genre about 5%, but that's pushing the limits of idiocy. Sure these bands do not sound exactly like the originators of hardcore, but that's because the genre has evolved. Do all metal bands sound like the founders of metal? No, most sound NOTHING like them at all. Of course, this is an abstract concept far beyond your extremely limited intellect, so I expect nothing but confusion and more idiocy from you.
Also, your insults are weak, fool. They are so childish and generic; I think you really need to brush up on those skills.
HC lyrics are political, nearly always leftist.
Hatebreed is mosh music; tons of slam riffs, breakdowns, singalong choruses. Even an idiot can tell it's not hardcore.
Who said anything about metal? The overwhelming majority of metalcore bands are not metal.
I can trace the roots of Burzum back to Black Sabbath with little trouble. I can't do likewise from Hatebreed to Discharge.
Frankly, I couldn't possibly care less about this argument. I hate metalcore, hardcore, and mallcore. I just think you're a dumb negro who couldn't tell hardcore from Avril Lavigne.
Hardcore isn't always political, that's an extremely close-minded and ignorant view of that scene. If you were truly informed about hardcore, you'd know that much of the founding bands of hardcore had lyrics dealing with pride, strength, and being straight edge (especially Minor Threat). That's where the whole tough guy schtick came from, which Hatebreed very obviously places their lyrical bent.
Also, METALCORE IS A STYLE OF METAL. Simply put. Every metalcore band is also metal, to some extent. METALCORE IS ALSO A STYLE OF HARDCORE. If you cannot fathom how two seperate styles could possibly fit into one band, you are more close-minded than I previously thought. Metalcore is a mixture of hardcore and metal, as the name very clearly states. You are obviously too stupid to understand this though, so you think confidence in your idiocy will help to mask your fallacies. It doesn't.
Also, this little bit of your post is fucking hilarious:
"Hatebreed is mosh music; tons of slam riffs, breakdowns, singalong choruses. Even an idiot can tell it's not hardcore" as breakdowns, singalong choruses, and slam riffs are all extremely dominant in hardcore more than any other style of music. Idiot. You claim Hatebreed are not hardcore for including key genre elements of hardcore? What a moron!
Discharge? Breakdowns? Slam riffs? Oh, nevermind....
Metalcore typically has some metal influence. That doesn't make it metal. Metalcore is tremendously diluted thrashy stuff with plenty of slam riffs, breakdowns and angsty emo-like vocals.
Minor Threat was political. Look past the straight edge bullshit and you'll find leftist themes; rebellion against conformity, complaints about the indoctrination of youths, etc.
Go on then.
Also, if you guys wants some awesome grindcore check out these bands.
Fuck I'm Dead
The Day Everything became nothing.
Why do you keep bringing up Discharge as if they are the only hardcore band ever?
Any music with metal influence is partly metal. It's just the way things work out. For a band to be considered metal, their output does not have to be all metal, not even half metal. For instance, Tiamat are considered metal when I'd say about 30% of their material is metal. Opeth are considered metal yet a lot of their material is the opposite in guitar based music of metal, acoustic rock. Metalcore is the marriage of hardcore and metal, no matter which style of metal. Also, metalcore does not have tremendously diluted thrashy stuff and PLENTY of metalcore has entirely screamed, growled, and shrieked vocals, no angsty emo-like vocals whatsoever.
I didn't say Minor Threat were not political, only that they were not purely political.
The difference between you and me is that I am a hardcore fan, you are not. Of course by default I would know more about this style of music than you do, and by the way this argument has gone it is obvious which one of us is more knowledgable. By the way you have pigeon-holed humanity with your rediculous and laughable racism, it is even more laughable that you try to do the same with music. Hardcore is not a tightly defined and limited style of music, it is a vast and constantly evolving form of punk (another style as vast and limitless in scope as rock music, despite the efforts of elitist pricks like you) which can include bands as different in idealogy and sound as Isis, Neurosis, Converge, Minor Threat, Rites of Spring, Boysetsfire, City of Caterpillar, Drive Like Jehu, and the list goes on and on. There are many styles and conglomerations of styles in the realm of hardcore, such as grind (brutal death + hardcore), metalcore (any style of metal + hardcore), sludgecore (slowed down vaguely stoner hardcore), and post hardcore (almost anything hardcore that doesn't fit in the other subgenres) among others, so your attempts to ludicrously limit the methods in which this style of music is expressed are laughable. In the same way that you have made yourself the laughing stock of this message board about racial lines, you do the same with music. I suggest you take off your blinders and realize how you have been mislead.
Burzum-Bathory-Venom(NWOBHM)-Heavy Metal(Black Sabbath)
Sabbath have very little influence on Venom music wise, you can't just say "oh they are are a NWOBHM band and sabbath are heavy metal" and expect it to work.
Their relationship is crystal clear. NWOBHM is the direct descendent of 70s Brit metal.
but explain to me the musical influence sabbath had on venom, which is what I don't I don't see working in your link.
You won't get a straight answer out of him, it's not his way.
I ignore people who think I exist to do their homework. If one can't figure out how Sabbath influenced the NWOBHM, I'm not going to explain.
Please explain how hardcore is dead. Without going into the pros and cons of there being tons of derivative hardcore bands around today, there are tons of derivative hardcore bands around today, some good and some not. And yes, I'm using your definition/examples (as limited as they are) as my basis. Go to any city that has an underground hardcore/punk scene (basically, almost any city) and I can almost guarantee that you'll find at least one band that sounds like either Discharge or Minor Threat. I don't know how you came up with Reagan Youth as a "key band", unless you mean that they passed along a member (much later on) to Nausea, who were one of the best examples of a good union of metal and hardcore, and were hugely influential in passing along and modernizing the sound of bands like Amebix, Axegrinder, Antisect, and Hellbastard.
Anyway, I'm off to my ADL meeting - ZOG's work is never done, especially with an election year coming up. Now, where did I leave my copy of the Protocols...?
And None of Them Knew Were Robots released an ep a couple years back called Leibesleid which sounds almost dead on like Minor Threat. Hardcore is still alive, more so than it ever has been imo.