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Grindcore = Punk?

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by Schraiber, Aug 26, 2002.

  1. Schraiber

    Schraiber Opeth fanboy

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    I've been hearing people saying Grind has more in common with punk than metal, and therefore is a subgenre of punk, not metal. Now, I haven't heard all that much grind, but what I've heard definitely has way more in common with metal.. the blasting drums are metal, the buzzsaw guitars are metal, everything is metal... I really can't see where these guys are coming from.
     
  2. Dionysos

    Dionysos Silence...

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    Grindcore is more into death metal.......
    The only common thing with punk is the image and attitude.... but this doesn't happen with all the grind bands anyway....
     
  3. MacMoney

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    Grindcore is hardcore taken to extreme but some (too many) death metal bands of today have taken influences from it.
     
  4. xenophobe

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    And what's the difference between Grindcore and Deathmetal?!?!?

    Grindcore:
    Pig Destroyer
    Cephalic Carnage
    Hateplow

    Sounds a lot like death metal to me.
     
  5. jimbobhickville

    jimbobhickville Tyrant in Distress

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    Grindcore = Hardcore (derived from punk) + Death Metal

    That is all.
     
  6. Nate The Great

    Nate The Great What would Nathan do?

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    Very early grindcore was very much related to hardcore and punk. Later grindcore has been influenced a lot more by metal. Like all genres, there are many influences put into the mix. That is why grindcore seems so much like metal these days.

    Try listening to Napalm Death 'Scum'. It is a lot more hardcore/punk than later Napalm Death.
     
  7. SlaughterofSoul

    SlaughterofSoul Forever Underground

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    Grindcore is metal.
     
  8. The Deathrace King

    The Deathrace King Necrobestiophile

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    Hey Schraiber... you from GameFAQs?

    Anyway, as I said before...

    Grindcore grew out of punk, this is true. However, most grind bands today have far more in common with metal than punk (Cephalic Carnage, Soilent Green, PIG DESTROYER).

    Grind is hybrid of metal/punk, with each influence occasionally overshadowing the other. Napalm Death has much more punk influence then bands like ****... I'm Dead.
     
  9. Schraiber

    Schraiber Opeth fanboy

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    Yes, actually =P
     
  10. Morbid Visions

    Morbid Visions New Metal Member

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    I've listened to Dillinger Escape Plan, from what I know a Grindcore band, and its much closer to Metal than it is Punk. Also if Im not mistaken, Napalm Death are one of the founders (or at least one of the best bands in Grindcore) of Grindcore.
     
  11. The Deathrace King

    The Deathrace King Necrobestiophile

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    Schraiber:

    I thought so... you made the same topic on Metal/Punk. :p

    I'm Zero the CrimsonKing/THE CRIM5ON KING/The Deathrace King.
     
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    Cephalic Carnage = Grindcore and/or Death Metal... no punk whatsoever.
     
  13. MacMoney

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    Actually grindcore is hardcore taken to extreme, nothing metal about it. Just because some bands mix grindcore with death metal nowadays, doesn't mean that grindcore itself was more metal a genre nowadays.
     
  14. BRUTAL SENSATION

    BRUTAL SENSATION pathpathologypathos

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    Check out Cripple Bastards, for a good mix of hardcore/grind really aggressive shit!!!
     
  15. lord667

    lord667 =UM=Heartburn

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    Because they have different roots. Grindcore developed from anarcho-punk, whereas Death Metal developed from thrash. They have of course cross-pollinated to the point where the distinction is largely hairstyle-based, but if you compare earlier grindcore like "Scum" to earlier Death Metal like "Scream Bloody Gore" the actual musical difference is marked.
     
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    Grindcore takes elements from both Hardcore and Death Metal so it is related to Punk and Metal. Anyways genres suck, good music is good music and bad music is bad music.
     
  17. SculptedCold

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    Oh yeah, so is The Berzerker good or bad music? I'm sure plenty of people would say 'bad', whereas I would argue a vehement 'good'. Exactly, that's why we have genres; they're more objective and more set so we don't become juvenile arguing over what's good and bad. Genres mean we don't have to get personal about describing music, at least, not as much.

    Of course, that's not the main reason why genres are genres, but it fits for this discussion.

    And yes, grindcore came from hardcore and punk, but who cares when it's considered and merged with metal so much nowadays anyway? Ancient history, listen to it and just enjoy. =)
     
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    -YAWN- I care so much about this intresting subject you are all debating in a adult manner. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  19. Opus(sy)2

    Opus(sy)2 Dead and dripping

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    who gives a fuck.......grindcore is brutal......thats all i care about
     
  20. xenophobe

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    Yeah, it's not so much different to the death metal I listen to... so it's all brutal shit that I like, so whatever you would like to call it....
     

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