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Discussion in 'GMD Social Forum' started by King Richard, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. King Richard

    King Richard Against the wind...

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    Let's stop shitting up other threads with gun talk and start/continue the discussion here. Don't act like cunts in here either. If you make a statement support it.

    So here we go...

    Why do you feel this way? Btw, M16's aren't fully automatic rifles, they have semi-auto and three round burst rates of fire.

    No I don't think the crime rate will increase. But what evidence do you have to support your claim that less people will get slaughtered by the insane if a "few minor regulations" get passed?

    While you're working on digging up some evidence to support your claims, here are some actual facts about mass shootings:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund#
     
  2. UltimateApathy

    UltimateApathy Infinite Idiocy

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    I'll just drop these off here for your enjoyment.

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  3. Krigloch the Furious

    Krigloch the Furious Pants full of poo

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    Very good argument UA.. :rolleyes:

    The 2nd amendment is about protection. And being able to defend ourselves against a tyrannical govt.

    The media doesnt report it, but guns save innocent lives all the time.
    Like the mother that hid with her children and a dude came after them. She was forced to empty her revolver (6 shots) into the guy and he still was able to get away.
    Right there is the reason for magazines holding 10+ rounds.
    What would have happened if there were two or more guys coming after her family and she would have ran out of bullets on the one guy.
    She and her innocent kids could have been killed.
    It's about protection! Wake up protectionist liberals!

    "When seconds count, the police are minutes away"
     
  4. King Richard

    King Richard Against the wind...

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    I put UA on my ignore list. Everyone should just start reporting his posts so Deron bans him, fucking useless trolls.
     
  5. UltimateApathy

    UltimateApathy Infinite Idiocy

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    That's true, who needs NRA-sponsored statistics and studies when you can just use rational logic and common sense. Now if you will excuse me, I'm off to read a very factual document full of statistics published by the Chinese government about what a wonderful thing communism is.
     
  6. Dak

    Dak mentat

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    It's probably Summerian, the posts are pretty similar.

    I'm sure the US and UK crime statistics are NRA sponsored. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Mort Divine

    Mort Divine Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd

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    That depends on interpretation of it. It depends on if it is viewed to be based on individual rights or collective rights - and I'm more likely to side with the idea of it referring to the latter rather than the former.

    Organized, regulated, civilian militias (or since we don't really have traditional militias nowadays things like the Reserves or National Guard which are the closest thing in spirit to those traditional militias) have the right to arms

    Not the average Joe

    THAT SAID, I do think people should be allowed to own guns, I have no issue with gun ownership. Just not fine with the average citizen owning anything beyond a hunting rifle, shotgun, or small handgun.
     
  8. UltimateApathy

    UltimateApathy Infinite Idiocy

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    Statistics are a wonderful thing indeed. They might even tell you something like: the more guns there are in a society, the more likely it is that some crazy person is gonna get there hands on one and go shoot a bunch of people for the hell of it. They would also tell you something like: if there are no guns (or very few) in a society, then there is no need to own one for protection (pepper-spray and other non-lethal stuff FTW). Wait, that's just logical rational common sense, right? I forget, people who get brainwashed by the manifestos of political organizations don't do very well at that kinda icky stuff.
     
  9. Draehl

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    Defense of your home wasn't even the intent behind it. It's the ability to stand up to and overthrow your government should the need arise. We may scoff at that idea because while our current government is certainly dysfunctional, it's not in need of being overthrown. And let us hope this never becomes a need. But our founding fathers just got finished casting aside an oppressive regime. It was a very real possibility for them then, which is why it was implemented and we can't let that right slowly be eroded.
     
  10. UltimateApathy

    UltimateApathy Infinite Idiocy

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    In other words, it's an outdated and antiquated belief that has no relevance to modern society. Should we still be torturing people in iron maidens and burning witches at the stake too?
     
  11. Krigloch the Furious

    Krigloch the Furious Pants full of poo

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    You're right, im ignoring this tard too. destroys all the threads he's apart of.

    Well said, Draele
     
  12. Dak

    Dak mentat

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    Oh, soooo outdated. Because 1950s/60s/70s were ancient history. Besides, this is MURKA right? Where the government is perfect and would never do anything bad. Not like those other nasty government in other places.
     
  13. Draehl

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    Its' not a need right now, you are very much correct. But look at all the countries around the world currently, or in just the past few decades, that have an oppressive government. Are you saying it is out of the realm of possibility that the same could not happen to America? I'm not one who believes that America is some sort of special country, above all others and immune to the same problems. If it happens to one it can happen to another. When you disarm your populace you only increase the likelihood of this happening.
     
  14. UltimateApathy

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    Yes, you do.
     
  15. Dak

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    What is a "small handgun"? What is a "hunting rifle"? Shotguns have more destructive firepower than nearly any other sort of firearm. It's statements like these that lead those who are quite familiar with guns to dismiss anti gun rhetoric and charge paranoia based on a lack of knowledge about the subject, no different than the paranoia over Muslims and other brown people in foreign countries. Uncertainty and fear of the unknown creates irrational and uneducated paranoia.
     
  16. UltimateApathy

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    I've come to realize that you're right and I'm wrong. I'll apologize because I've come to see the error of my ways. I now fully and truly believe that any one of these days the American government is going to suddenly transform into a tyrannical despotical authoritarian dictatorship that is going to enslave the masses and send dissidents to work in concentration camps. Naturally, that is precisely the moment when those heroical knights in shining armour, the glamorous gun owners of America, are going to ride on wings of death and glory into the conquest of the White House and save the day, restoring marvelous freedom and liberty to all. Gosh, why didn't I believe any of this amazing truth before?
     
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    Suddenly, no. If it were to happen it would be something over the course of at least a decade. If you turn on the population at once you'd have a widespread rebellion of such a large portion of the population they would have no chance of stopping. It will be a slow erosion of rights that we go along with, all under the guise of "for our own good" likely in response to some sort of terrorist type of attack or some other terrible event. Only after we have curfews, a semblance of indoctrination, the weapons are taken away, etc. does the true oppression begin. Why? Because at that point they can, without repercussion.
     
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    You do know that the U.S. government has tanks, missile launchers, battleships, stealth bomber jets, attack helicopters, nuclear weapons, and bigger guns than a civillian could ever hope to own, right? If the government truly wanted to impose oppression on the people it wouldn't matter whether people are armed or not: the dinky little guns that some small-minded people get such a kick out of owning and firing would be as laughable and useful as a pink toy gun in that kind of situation. I love a good conspiracy theory when it has decent evidence to support it, but this one is sorely lacking, and in the meanwhile people keep getting killed, maimed, and injured by gun accidents and psycopaths with guns.
     
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    I don't know enough about calibers to go into further detail, but a handgun that has sufficient stopping power without being something that can tear someones insides to pieces, a rifle that will be sufficient for what game the person is licensed to hunt?

    The issue I've got mostly lies with the fact that many people are 'OH I NEED TO DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST THE BAD GUYS BY KILLING THEM' types. Taking another's life is not something anyone should be willing to do so readily - and it isn't as if these people are rare. It is why I am an advocate of non-lethal self-defense weaponry.
     
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    This assumes that our military would voluntarily march upon its own citizens.
     

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