Hi, Elias... Norsemaiden, are you a Mormon? Anyhow... You have a point...except that you're wrong. In this I mean that while you definitely make a good point saying that we have to look at this objectively, I take issue with your objective analysis. America is a hotbed of sexual promiscuity. Do we have issues? Yes, but compare us to the Middle East. No sexual promiscuity tolerated. Issues? Yes. Obviously, sexual promiscuity isn't the root of these issues, but neither is it the problem in your Africa example. What is the real problem? The answer probably uses a couple of these words: AIDS, civil war, genocide, corruption, poverty, rape, disease, starvation, and exploitation. Your point about a father lacking confidence that his children are his is moot in this day and age of handy things like DNA testing. With sexual competition...isn't a promiscuous society less competitive? With monogamous relationships you play for keeps. In a promiscuous society, you might not get there first, but you have a better chance of getting there. Also, what do you mean by societies stalling? If you mean they don't have as many kids as they could, that's a good thing. The last thing the world needs is more people. With regard to what Lastmen said about extreme politics, I somewhat disagree. I think it's obviously idealistic rather than something anyone is actually trying to accomplish. If I'm wrong about this, then I take it back, and you guys really are morons. If I'm right then it's fine, except that I also take issue with points 2 and 6 of the credo, as they're really stupid. Other than that, it's fine. Also, just fyi, gay people can get AIDS too.