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Homophobia

Discussion in 'The Philosopher' started by monoxide_child, Mar 23, 2009.

  1. razoredge

    razoredge Member

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    This is because you and your girlfriend have nothing to prove. Sadly for some "gays" its all about providing some kind of proof, this is a internal conflict within themselves, a struggle for validation.
     
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    Well, the acts are different simply because people perceive them differently. I imagine people would also have a problem with a passionate make out session between a father and his adult daughter. Social standards impinge on their life in such a way as to make any tonsil hockey between them far more negative for those around them. It's easier to rationalise ideas and actions as 'the same' than it is to experience the same visceral sensations upon seeing the actions. Being a decent human being requires taking into account the sensations we impose on others through our actions. Deeply ingrained homophobic responses may not be any easier to overcome than homosexuality itself, but as a society we've generally decided that the persecution of homosexuals is more problematic than the negative responses of homophobes, so exert pressure in the relevant direction and achieve change - it's not a simple switch though, it takes time, and at the moment those wishing to engage in homo PDA have to accept that we are in such a transition period - better than the past but probably worse than the future (from the progressive, not razoredge, perspective).
     
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    Why is desiring social change an internal conflict? I wish people would think a little more at times, so some folk find me upfront and confrontational. This is not an internal conflict, this is me altering the world in the way that I desire.
     
  4. razoredge

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    No Im sorry I will not agree. I grew up in a time when we were not sexually educated at age 5 nor ever had sex shoved in our face. I found out about sex, reproduction, reasons or meaning behind a lip kiss and homo sex all at the same time from older friends. The only one that caused me to get queezy was homo sex... and a little bit of the idea of my parents "doing that?". One wore off the other did not, now do you hope to tell me that it was because I had the idea that its not OK pounded into my head ? Sorry I only educate and evaluate for myself, and I've always been that way.

    Does my adversion to marraige also come from all this early brain washing... hmm




    What are these "shit" natural responses ? Seems most are acting like everybody gets up in homo's faces everytime they hold hands or kiss. I suspect most just shutter and turn away, yet certain parts of "modern society" want to exibit prejudice against those that are turned off by the abnormal. How come sometimes when one person barfs, others suddenly start to have problems holding their stomach contents in ? Was this also something our damn elders forced on us ?

    Yep, we all want freedom of action, Im out in public, somewhere, anywhere and some big mouth, foul mouth, lookin for trouble bully is making a total scene... "hey, I know how to get everybody to notice me"... this guy is exhibiting his freedom of action. Now I get what I need to get done and get away from that scene just as quick as I can, thinking to myself "boy, what an asshole"... have I now developed some kind of "phobia", exibited some type of bigoted prejudice, had some kind of "shit" improper reaction ? What if I didnt feel like tolerating it and confronted the person... another "phobia", infringment on his rites of freedom, another shit improper reaction ? Embedded into my head by those damn elders again ?

    You'll have to give me a few examples of this, it sounds contradictory to me

    Laws had a fundamental purpose at one time, like 100 years ago, today they seem to have more to do on infringment of personal freedom. However there are no laws on internal natural reaction to homos (used freely now because I guess Im a homophobe, trembling at the knees in fear of homos :rolleyes:) feeling the need to publically "express" themselves, yet denying anyone like myself the rite to our feeling on the matter.

    My whole point being its a fools circle that goes round and round and round unless everyone just leaves things alone and accepts personal freedoms and understands abuse there of. I can respect that gays want to nibble on each other, they cant help it, they can respect that some like myself dont care to sit through a show they didnt buy a ticket for.
     
  5. razoredge

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    Ah ha ! And anyone opposing what YOU DESIRE suddenly becomes a long list of demeaning terminolgy due to what changes or restraints they desire...... priceless !
     
  6. razoredge

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    Anyhow, the subject I was talking about was regarding the need for public displays, nothing to do with a desire for social change, but a internal conflict that says "we have to show them" or is it "I have to show myself" ? I dont hump on the girlfriend out in public to express to the gay community that I am functioning properly.

    At the end of this entire thing, I hope people realise that this entire subject is so infrequent and rarely met with any negative response toward exhibitionist gays other than perhaps a deserved disgusted look or rapid movement of the eyes away from the scene, which if they were not paying attention to "reactions" with pure intent in mind, they would never notice anyhow.
     
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    I have nothing against homosexuals and I'm not racist (NOW), but I have been molested and treated like a shit by a homosexual when I was 13, and the consequence was I have been NAZI for some years. Now I don't hate jews, negros, homosexuals and rom-immigrants (in my Country) anymore, but it was very hard to become not racist.
     
  8. damnromulans

    damnromulans Klingons do not faint

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    why did you change your mind? just out of curiosity. did you do it for you, or because you felt you should because no one in the mainstream hires/associates with nazis?
     
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    I am more interested in what homosexual molestation has to do with NAZI ideals?
     
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    You don't need to be explicitly told anything - the world you grew up in was for the most part composed of relatively monogamous male-female couples. If you think the basic structures and expectations of society have no effect on you then you're fuckin deluded :lol:


    Shit natural responses: desire for fat and sugar, swelling, anxiety (fear was more adaptive when those with less of it got eaten by the scary things), over the top temporal discounting (we want the cookie now rather than more tomorrow). There are plenty if you care to look. We are not perfection incarnate, the world of today is far removed from the world we evolved to fit, but we mold ourselves with ideas and technology to be more suitable for the purposes we desire.


    The parallels between the scene you describe and gays making out is striking.


    The laws don't deny you the right to feelings on the matter. Your last paragraph is pretty much what I argued in the first place, only with the caveat that respect only goes so far, some interplay and conflict of desires and action is desirable and unavoidable. Fulfilling your desire not to see homos nibble on each other may be less advantageous to everyone's desires than fulfilling the homos desire to nibble.
     
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    Totally. How else did you think social standards work?
     
  12. damnromulans

    damnromulans Klingons do not faint

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    It was probably a homo without a foreskin who was black
     
  13. razoredge

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    I dont know what that has to do with social standards, I was refering to the double standards and hyprocracy.

    Vossy is worried about a double standard because normal people apparently dont mind tonsil hockey sessions between natural couples in MD's... which we know happens all the time... yet might be turned off by gays putting on a show. Thereby they are "bigots", "homophobes", "idiots", most likely the off spring of Hitler himself and any other degrading term we can throw at you.

    This is all part of the PC movement, you know the one where we are worried about everyones sensitivity all the time... this is why we have a long list of acceptable demeaning terms for anyone that would rather not be in the presence of "queer" activity.

    Rights, rights, rights, we want rights but no one has the right to oppose us because if you do you are fucked up in the head.

    Alrighty then !
     
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    I did it for me.
     
  15. damnromulans

    damnromulans Klingons do not faint

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    natural couples eh? i think it's disgusting and against nature for two people who look like they could be brother and sister to date. intraracial dating in small populations is wack. what is natural? what is unnatural? if being gay is so unnatural why are there gay people in every nation and culture in the world?

    also re: PC, there is a huge difference between

    1.) "oh ew i don't want to look at john and charlie making out, but it's none of my business and they obviously like each other a lot so good for them"

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    2.) "two men making out? i'm going to make my disgust loud and political and vote against gay rights and call gays unnatural faggots"
     
  16. razoredge

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    Now is this world of mostly male-female couples existant due to some unnatural reason ? Is it all because their elders for some unnatural reason pairs up in a manor that would allow natural reproduction ? Is the higher percentage of males and females that find features in the opposite sex sexually stimulating all because of we've just had it all wrong since the beginning ? That an ill feeling is the stomach of displays of same sex physical affection is all due to this ? Im not buyin


    I dont see how "please spare me" is a shit natural response of those not careing to be exposed to homo sexual displays. Its simply a right to feel however anyone wants to feel about it. Certainly not a shit response to having ones children exposed to it.

    Yes the world we live in today is a forced world in just about every way. Regarding this subject and other politically similar ones we have the desires of 51% imposing them on the remaining 49% that doesnt want them. I fail to see how this addresses everyones sensitivities and amounts to nothing less than bullying, far from the proclaimed desired purpose the liberal PC's base their very arguements on... because they are fuckin hypocrites, plain and simple.

    You did not respond to the barfing scenerio, or how about one where most think its pretty gross to see mutilated body parts... unnatural ? imposed on us by our elders ?


    Assuming this was a sarcastic response, the parallel is that its an example of two different natural responses to someone being exposed to a less than comfortable situation imposed on them because somebody was exibiting the right of freedom to act however they want. This DOES NOT equate into a series of name calling terminology inflicted for the soul purpose of imposing guilt because this person took to one of the two responses I applied.



    Homos can restrain their desires to nibble till they get home or deal with the variety of responses they recieve in the mean time, cause thats fucking life !
     
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    Thats becasue you are a bigot, exhibit predudice, and a really bad person, you should be ashamed of yourself
    mutations occur naturally through out the world, virus's mutate, various birth defects, everything mutates, however it takes a male and female to naturally reproduce and scientific research has some fairly reasonable explainations as to why the various physical traits of the two sexs are found appealing to each other.


    yeah... and all points inbetween. Its so easy for the lazy or narrow minded to isolate discomfort with this subject into two broad extremes.

    I believe that anything that is in my face is my business, Im not alone. All people think, react, respond and conclude somewhat differently but I suspect theres books lining the walls of the psycology world that break these things down into groups. This scenerio we have been comtemplating could also occur for a variety of reasons and at a various levels and that too would alter reactions.
     
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    I would say more than anything the innate ability to distinguish the difference between right and wrong was at play. That hating unknowns for a situation inflicted on you which they had no part of was non productive.

    Just a guess
     
  19. damnromulans

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    @razoredge so then it is unnatural and wrong for hetero couples to not reproduce, going by the logic you have given. perhaps homosexuality IS a "mutuation" but it is not a harmful one or a handicap, so i don't see why anyone would have a problem with it.

    also, nothing is "in your face" about gay PDA unless you are super uptight
     
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    What ? Did you miss something somewhere? I think so, do a re-read
    Im dont see where harmfull or handicap has anything to do with people having a problem with something. Im noyt aware of people having problems with say autism, they might not know how relate or respond innitially because I know theres a learning curve. I also dont think that many people have a problem with those that are gay, while many may just prefer to not be exposed to side shows and expecially in a public place not their children.
    again:
     

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