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How much 'ping/ring' do you like in your snare track?

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Mattayus, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. Mattayus

    Mattayus Sir Groove-A-Lot

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    I'm a guitarist, but nothing about drums makes me harder than a super high-tuned pingy snare. Getting that huge, untamed *CRACK* that resonates the whole shell sounds fucking beautiful. I can't stand snares with an o-ring on.

    However, on faster music I find that the accumulative effect of this ping/ringing can be a bit overbearing, especially in combination with both the close mic and the overheads.

    How do you like yours, and how do you go about dampening it marginally, and not completely? Moon gel? Strategically placed duct tape?
     
  2. Jack Pirate

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    I usually record the snare with no dampening at all, just make sure that it's tuned right and it sounds good (with the ring and everything). If the ring is getting too prominent during the fast parts I just automate an EQ or sometimes even a multiband compressor to bring the ring down during those parts.
     
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    I'm actually dig ring, but as you mentioned on faster/ technical stuff not so much. But that ring make that hit feel like it's having some extra power in it, specially on groovier stuff.
     
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    moon gels all day!
     
  5. JeffTD

    JeffTD Senhor Testiculo

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    A lot. It's amazing how much ring disappears in the mix.
     
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    +1

    Its almost to a point where you can't have to much ring on your snare. The ring/sustain is what makes the snare smack in the mix. If you don't want it on your recorded snare blend in a really ringy sample when you mix.
     
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    Sloan Sounds like shit!

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    i'm such a fan of 70's muted kind of drum sounds (Runaways etc), but it doesn't really work that great in metal stuff.
     
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    Before I felt I kind of had to remove ALL the ring in the snare to get it to sound "clean". But lately I have been trying to simplify my mixing, and thus left some out that ring there, and it actually sounds really good in a mix. It feels more edgy, kind of. So, the right amount of ring can surely be desirable.
     
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    It depends on the mix and the snare and the type of ring. There's a certain type of ring, it's got a real...kinda "poooong" sound that I hate. But the ring that's got more high pitched ping to it, I love it.
     
  10. Mattayus

    Mattayus Sir Groove-A-Lot

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    Yeah, it does disappear under the mix quite a bit I guess.

    I'm currently in a band that plays groovy hard rock, and our drummer's snare sounds fucking gnarly at practice when he takes the o-ring off, I was just concerned if it'd be an issue if we kept it that way for the EP.

    This is the sort of snare sound I'm talking about. It's fucking lush



    You can tell if he played anything thrashy that would probably build up and become too much though, but maybe an automated transient designer or enveloper would surely take care of it.
     
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    You definitely need a little ring in there. I usually use thinner heads, like controlled sound or ambassador, and just put 1/2 or 1 moon gell on it. Enough to dampen a little without making it sound dead.
     
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    I can't say I'm much of a fan. All the snares I've been up close and personal with have sounded miles better with an o-ring.

    The snare in the linked video, for instance, does nothing for me except grate on the nerves. I guess I like mine pretty damn dead.
     
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    I usually use a half moon gel and there's usually still a lot of ring left. If you've got the drum tuned right, you can notch out the ring with narrow band EQ without killing the vibe of the drum. Too much dampening and the drum sounds dead. Too little, and it's St. Anger.
     
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    Totally depends on the project but my usual procedure is to sample the snare with and without dampening, then track with a moongel on there. Under the close mics there will still usually be a fair bit of ring since I normally use a single-ply head, but I can blend the ringy sample in if need be. Sometimes a parallel track with an 1176 totally levelling the attack can work well to blend in more sustain.
    Snare in the video sounds wicked, it's tuned very well though.. no substitute for that when you're leaving it as wide open though.
     
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    :puke: That's not very lush as far as I am concerned, maybe I'm just tasteless but that is an absolute abortion in its context. Way too much imo.

    CLONK-CLONK-CLONK
     
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    the snare in that video sounds delicious, and I might be crazy but I think it would sound killer on some blastbeats, super goregrindy. But don't listen to me, I used to play in a band where the drummer took off the snare wires.
     
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    :devil: Sound really good
     
  18. Mattayus

    Mattayus Sir Groove-A-Lot

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    Fuck yeah, that piccolo sound works SO well in death metal!

    I always loved this snare too

     
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    It's really song-dependent.

    I've found that the best thing to do is have some instrumental scratch tracks on hand, and do a pass of the drums without any dampening to see how the ring works with the rest of the music. If it's too much, then I put small amounts on moongel on the drums until everything sits well.
     
  20. JeffTD

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    Yup. This is another reason why good prepro is KEY. I don't like to track drums to a single scratch guitar because 1. it sounds annoying as shit in mono and 2. decently-tracked rhythms are going to to influence the drum tuning/tracking/editing more than you think.
     

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