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How To Refute Flat Earth Lies

Discussion in 'The Philosopher' started by FEZZILLA, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. FEZZILLA

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    :tickled::tickled: Or perhaps give them a free space tour so they can see the whole globe of the earth. Something along the lines of the picture below :tickled:
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    Planes don't really fly high enough to convince an imbecile. They could say the horizon looks curved because it's the limit of how far our vision can see in any direction (like hovering above a flat circle and seeing the edge). Or they could claim the plane windows are distorting the view. Also, clouds and hilly land get in the way. But if you remove them from the plane while it's still in the air then I suppose it doesn't matter!

    There's plenty of evidence to be seen from land or sea. Eg. take them to Vancouver on a clear day and show them the creamy tip of Mount Rainier.

    I do like this photo from Space Shuttle Columbia's ill-fated final mission though:

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    You are right. There isn't much you can do using arguments from science to convince flat earthers of anything. I know a man who is a professional creationist who is challenging flat earthers in their knowledge of science. He reasons with them and does a fine job using all the right arguments. But flat earthers just deny them. I chose to defend the Biblical view only because I know once that is properly defended the flat earth movement will fade away. I debated many flat earthers in the Bible and these debates don't last long. If flat earthers are held down to authoritative Christian works then their fun is over. All they have are memes and opinionated youtube videos. Flat earthers cannot trace their interpretations of Scripture past 200 years. I hold them down to 2000+ years of globe earth readings from the Bible. Once they realize there is no tradition of a flat earth in early Christianity its no longer a fun debate.
     
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    Full "round world" Corpus.

    There are literally dozens of round world verses in the Bible. These "round world" phrases were removed from the Bible by the Geneva scholars who blundered away their translation and every translation after that lost the round world verse. But as you will see William Tyndale was right and the Geneva scholars were wrong in what they. The round world verses were not the only translation mistakes we inherited.

    Some verse numbers slightly differ from each translation. For example, Psalm 89:11 in the Matthew's Bible might be Psalm 89:12 in the Great Bible. But for the sake of ease I'm gonna keep all verse numbers in conformity to the Matthew's Bible.

    1 Samuel 2:8,

    Psalm 18:15,

    Psalm 24:1,

    Psalm 89:11,

    Psalm 93:1,

    Psalm 96:10,

    Proverbs 8:31,

    Isaiah 34:1,

     
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    Jeremiah 10:12,

    Jeremiah 51:15,



    The verses all listed here were researched from the Strong's Blue Letter Bible site.
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h8398

    Verses were checked and harmonized from the site linked below.
    http://textusreceptusbibles.com/Matthews/24/51

    These verses also appear in original and facsimile Bibles of those linked here. For the Psalms listed from the 1539 Great Bible you can find them in any Book of Common Prayer used by Anglican Churches. I own the 1662 & 1928 BCP and the Psalter reads just like the online version except for modifications in spelling in the 1928 BCP.

    Matthew's Bible facsimiles also contain same verses as found online. So none of this is some clever scam. We really were robbed by the Geneva scholars who foolishly removed the "round world" phrases correctly translated by Tyndale. The "round world" verses I have listed here come from the Hebrew word tebel and not every verse containing the word tebel means globe. The verses I have listed in this corpus are the only words which mean the entire globe of the earth and its inhabitants. I omitted tebel verses from the corpus that did not clearly mean globe.

    You will notice a correlation in the usage between tebel and chuwg, especially noted in Jeremiah 10:12 & 51:15 -- both these verses tell us the story of Job 26:10,

    tebel verses Proverbs 8:31, Jer.10:12, Jer.51:15 are telling us the same thing as Isaiah 26:10. These verses speak of a round encompassing of the earth's fullness -- "the globe of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22, Vulgate).
    https://wikidiff.com/compass/encompass

    Each of the verses listed here are in connection to the fullness of God's creation and everything therein which is when tebel means globe.

    Hebrew Lexicons:

    The New Strong's Exhaustive Expanded Concordance of the Bible. H8398


    Make sure to see Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h8398

    Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.

    TWOT
    New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis, Volume 4:

    Breakdown of תֵּבֵל têbêl:

    Strong's: "; by extension, the globe;"

    Gesenius': ",the habitable globe,"

    TWOT: "First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth"--AND-- "In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed."

    New International: "the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity."

    *Note: These are 4 lexicons with 4 different disciplines of scholarship and they all agree with one another. The New International lexicon is both the most liberal of all lexicons and the weakest of the 4 used here. I find it amazing that even a lexicon as liberal as that one agrees. But when a certain word is not the contention of heated political debate there tends to be less political bias in the liberal lexicons. The Strong's and Gesenius' are the most reliable followed by TWOT (which leans liberal but not as liberal as New International)

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    You could have saved so much time and effort (while also alienating less people/convincing more people) by simply posting satellite images of the planet showing that it's spherical with the included following hashtag: #NotAllChristians.
     
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    I'm not sure you quite understand my aim in the post. First of all, my words were clear in the post that it dealt strictly with phrases removed from the Bible from the Geneva scholars who should not have ever removed Tyndale's work. The lexicons back Tyndale 100%! My other aim is to focus solely on the Biblical arguments against flat earthers since once you answer them...all other arguments fade away like a bad fart in the wind. On top of that, atheists have accused the Bible of teaching flat earth. But here, I have laid down highly authoritative information which prove just the exact opposite. So for those seriously looking for answers they can be assured that the information I have supplied here is irrefutable. The entire aim of the flat earth movement was to use Christian sources against Christians as to bastardize them into submission to the socialist ideology; to get them to believe only the State is God and there are many man-gods who we are to serve. This is the radical anarchist movement who are pretending to be priests but have found themselves left with only their memes and opinions which do not agree with 2000 years of Christian readings from the Bible. So atheists are gonna have to find something more constructive to do with their lives besides hate on Christians. This flat earth movement is finished.

    Yeah, I got that annoyed by them. They even taunted me, dangling their flat earth lies at me and daring me to drop what I was doing to debate them. Well, when I get annoyed enough I strike hard. Now its hard to even find flat earthers on the internet who will debate me. They all run away. :tickled:

    Lies are not rewarding in the long term outcome.
     
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    Introducing the Lemniscate Earth Society
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    new-version-of-solar-system-with-flat-earth.jpg
    Funny how nature does this.
     
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    The intended audience for this thread spotted on Imgur:

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