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Discussion in 'Children Of Bodom' started by MattK, Jun 8, 2015.
Facking Finaly !
So I was hanging with one of my friends last night who's never liked CoB when I played it for him (before IWC came out) because he said the intesity of the music made him all wired up, which is interesting in itself. Anyway and I played Hold Your Tongue and Morrigan for him and he really liked it. Fucking Illuminati man.
after a few listens all i can say is that Hold Your Tongue sure has some old bodom feel in it, i like the song really much but find it a shame the guitar solo is so lame!
Unlike most, I was optimistic about this album. We already know that Bodom isn't Bolt Thrower or Obituary, that they don't do the same over and over, so I was open to change/development. What I was hoping for was complexity and richness. But I ended up somewhat disappointed, not because there are a whole lot of bad songs, but because so many songs have parts for which I don't care.
- I Hurt: Starts with a bang, but is followed by a powerful-sounding but lame and simplistic series of chords that make up the chorus. Verses on the other hand are good, intricate, complex.
- My Bodom: Don't care for the In Flames breakdowns beginning, too simple. The part that follows is a bit strange for COB, I guess it's sort of heavy metalish. Verses sound ok but still too simple. The chorus though massively redeems the song and is reminiscent of Ugly.
- Morrigan: Another song that starts with a bang AND has a fantastic chorus, but again the first part the verses, that awful high-pitched silliness, I can't get into that. Wonderful solo.
- Horns: this album's "Halo of Blood" with the black metalish-sounding beginning. Love the energy of the "old-school death metal C-section or something," too bad the entire song doesn't carry it. But it's among the more flawless songs of IWC in that there isn't any part that I dislike.
- Prayer for the Afflicted: This album's ballad. Slower than other COB ballads, with a lovely melody. But the other sections are relatively forgettable. Guitar slides and stuff keeps it mildly entertaining. Song had potential but needed something more.
- I Worship Chaos: Nice powerful starting riff. But that's all it has going for it. Song devolves into amateur silly simplicity during the verses. Chorus is also surprisingly weak. You kinda want this song to be played live because kids would go nuts, but at the same time there are better ones. I do enjoy the guitar work underneath the key solo.
- Hold Your Tongue: The second flawless song. Nothing here is offensively bad, but at the same time, no part truly stands out. The best part is the pre-chorus.
- Suicide Bomber: Another song that starts with a bang and has a great chorus. Verses are well-suited, but needed more punch. Love the second solo. Overall the song ends on its most powerful note.
- All for Nothing: Complete crap. There I said it. The skip-worthy song of IWC. Way too slow and lacking in any interesting bit. Weird vocals are neat. 2:22-2:45 are the only worthwhile seconds. Everyone who thinks this song is good is nuts or must listen to pop or something. This is like the recent In Flames pop songs. Just awful, especially the ending.
- Widdershins: Perhaps All for Nothing was the price to pay for Widdershins because with it things pick up considerably. Especially once we get to the spectacular chorus--my goodness, it would be murderous live, not that they will every play it live. But again, had the song build around and maintained the energy of the chorus, it could have been among COB's great. Instead it ends with a complete WTH moment of the breakdowns, which could have worked had it lasted 5 seconds instead of 40. Awesome solos, though. Enjoyed the understated keys here.
One has to wonder about how this album was composed. The songs seem much more fragmentary and internally inconsistent. Almost as if Alexi one week decided to compose 7 or so galloping breakdowns and distribute them among 10 songs. Then separately came up with a couple of bombastic intros and on another occasion some amazing choruses and then randomly distributed those 3 elements.
Not crazy about the sound of IWC as a whole. Guitars should have been gutsier, bass is almost absent, drums sound much weaker than necessary. Vocals are good though.
So I'm being overly critical here even though I will be listening to this album regularly till the next album, or the next Psycroptic or Eluveitie albums.
In Flames in basically pop now? Glad I haven't bought any of their new albums then. But its ironic that one of your favorite off this album is Hold Your Tongue considering Alexi said "Its a rock song." Its the least Bodom of the entire album. Horns is good shit, catchy lryics and catchy riffs and really headbanging keyboard solo followed by Alexi sliding down is guitar (is that a 1 string "solo" because it kind of sounds like it). I actually find All For Nothing to be pretty good, he took what he learned from DMHOY and twisted it a little more. It has really good lyrics, the soloing at the end is odd though. I don't blame you for not liking that part. Widdershins is dank as fuck, I get you wanting more solo's instead of those breakdowns but I actually really like them it gives the song "Atmosphere"
I don't know what In Flames claims to be doing these days but their last two albums are nothing like the previous ones. Yeah, Hold Your Tongue is more rock than metal but it doesn't bother me all that much. It's not a song I put on repeat either. Most people here have a thing for All For Nothing for some reason, I don't get it. I've always found breakdowns to be the least atmospheric practice, granted that they do work somewhat in Widdershins.
All for Nothing just reminds me of how much time I waste in my life for some reason. Thats probably why I like it. Widdershins gets away with it because the rest of the song is fast, guitar slows down during the verse, but Alexi keeps the intensity with his vocals, I really like how the guitar and vocals change speeds throughout with the whole song stays the same overall intensity.
I hate the album, it's not good, it has its moments, probably like it hust as good as blooddrunk, but thats my least favorite. From a guitarists perspective it blows beyond belief...drums too. Nah, if this continiues, count me out... Not one good solo, only sluggish riffs. Only good thing is the lyrics, they have got a lot better, but Ive never loved bodom for vocals, no offence to Alexi, but he should focus on fast power metallish guitar leads, not chugging around while singing.....
Oh and I wont buy it, not ever, they won't have any of my money, not on the album and not live.
- I Hurt: Decent intro riff, very bad chorus, pretty good pre-chorus.
- My Bodom: Good chorus, pretty meh otherwise.
- Morrigan: A pretty decent song. It's nothing spectacular though. Too simple and long.
- Horns: Apart from the pretty bad chorus this one sounds like a mash up of Halo of Blood, One Bottle and a Knee Deep and Waste of Skin. Overall one of the better songs on the album.
- Prayer for the Afflicted: Good parts throughout but way too simple to be so long. Perhaps too slow too.
- I Worship Chaos: Decent intro riff, but overall a very bad song. Best part of the song is Alexi's scream after the solo. It just sounds freaking brilliant.
- Hold Your Tongue: A decent song. Can't remember much more than the "Shut the fuck up" part, but overall it's one of the better songs so far. Lil' Bloodred Ridin' Hood riff before the verse. Good solo.
- Suicide Bomber: Good intro/chorus and pre-chorus (The FTR-ish key melody part). The verse is the best heavy riff on the album. One of the best songs on the album.
- All for Nothing: Atmospheric keyboard verses that are great, and one of Alexi's all time best riffs for a chorus. The thrash riff halfway through is perhaps a bit out of place, and the ending solo is too long, but it's still my favorite on the album.
- Widdershins: Atmospheric keys in the verse. Reminds me a bit of the verse in Skyfire's "Conjuring the Thoughts". The chorus is IMO somewhat boring. Awful ending. Decent solos.
They should get a new singer who can do black metal vocals, and force Alexi to write lead-oriented stuff, memorable beats and intense keyboards.
It's intriguing how these songs are so long yet they seem to end much sooner than their fast, blazing and short songs like SNBN. This album is longest but maybe poorest on musical information.
A year ago I wrote they should do short, 3 minute long songs, and only 8 of them, and have atmospheric passages in between songs to create anticipation and climax, with densely packed musical information and technical tightness, in case they're out of ideas. Instead they decided to spread it out over too long time span.
I just listened to hatebreeder, HCDR and HoB.
It is incredible how good these albums are. Not a single bad song. Most of them are great. Few are just... good. But 95% of this stuff is superb. IWC makes you appreciate it even more.
My other observation is that on these three albums every song, almost every riff makes you want to grab a guitar. This is not the case in IWC. I mean it has its moments (I actually love SB and Widdersomething) but overall... Forgettable.
The worrying part is there are no good new bands, it seems. I'm listening to atmospheric doom metal that's dark and epic as fuck. That stuff still lives, unlike the great 90's metal bands (Bodom, Hypocrisy, In Flames, Cradle of Filth) that have withered, albeit still being active. It's natural, but what these bands have been doing recently is ruthless... it really is, it's as if they're not even trying hard... and what In Flames did with their last record is not even embarrassing, it's downright self-destructive, it's how bad it is. They should get more radical in some way but instead they mellow out.
Bodom of course are expected to always create the greatest album of all time so they get shit if they do an album that's worth an 8/10. Well this album is like 7/10. It's mostly turd sure but almost every song still has that 1 or even 2 cool ideas. One of the best parts is 2:02 - 2:22 in Horns. Won't keep a trained ear satisfied forever tho, since we're used to being blasted with epic ideas left and right.
That's a good point. There's not a lot here that makes you go "wow, I wish I could play that. How does he do it?" But at the same time, if you actually start playing some of the stuff, even the IWC's intro riff, it's pretty fun. I'll give the death metal part in Horns a shot at some point.
Considering he said he only sang cause no else wanted to makes you wonder why Bodom hasn't had a different vocalist all along. Its wishful thanking at this point.
It's actually because they would loose all the female fans. No Alexi on vocals, no bitches in front rows.
I agree. It has it's moments but only one song that is good the majority of the time, and that isn't enough. This album along with RRF and BD are their worst but this one might actually take the bottom spot. Alot of people rate Heroes of Beer or whatever quite higly but that one didn't impress me all that much either. For me Bodom will always be Bodom and one of my favourite bands but simple because of their 3(4) first albums. The sound has so drastically changed that it isn't comparable to the sound and style they got known for. That's the music I want to listen to.
Having said that RRF, BD, HoB hold good standard and are musically very technical so for any other band it would be great albums but compared to the early CoB they fall completely flat. And I can't help but to feel the music Alexi is writing now is not as mature as when he was younger, some songs, say IWC, for exsample is almost at the edge of being childish.
Mostly agree with you. IMO AYDY and BD are a lot better than people give them credit for though. Not as good as the first 4, and in a different style but the style is still enjoyable and the songs are good. RRF is somewhat different in style but not much. It just doesn't execute said style as well, and isn't as good. HOB continues in the same style as AYDY - RRF and is perhaps their best album since HCDR. IWC is again in a completely new style, and is not a very good album. The new style is boring and the songs are way too simple. It's almost like a heavier and simpler version of Metallica with screaming vocals.
Basically the way I see the albums is something like this:
SW, HB, FTR: Melodic Death/Power Metal with screaming vocals. Each album better than the last. Melody oriented but with a good amount of melodic-ish riffs too.
HCDR. They start to get some thrashy elements into the music but it's still very good. I'd rank HCDR just below FTR, perhaps even above HB. A halfway mode between FTR and AYDY in terms of style.
AYDY, BD, RRF, HOB: Melodic Thrash Metal with screaming vocals. Far more riff oriented than the previous albums but still definitely melodic. Around 50/50 on melodies and riffs. Quality goes down from AYDY to RRF, then jumps with HOB. Still below FTR, HB and HCDR.
IWC. Riff-oriented metal with melodies as an occasional after though. Nothing in common with the first three, little with AYDY - HOB.
So, I only find myself listen to Horns occasionaly. I think this was the last album I've preordered.
Still don't know why like no one likes Blooddrunk that much, easily top 3 for me - but then I guess that's how taste can differ. In this case, a lot.
What's up with their setlists btw? They're getting more generic every year, if that's even possible.
Yeah, I don't understand what people's problem with Blooddrunk is either. Production isn't nearly as powerful as AYDY, but then people don't like that one as well.