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IN FLAMES Clayman Re-recorded 2020

Discussion in 'In Flames' started by Ilias7, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. galvanized

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    Listened to the latest Night In Gales throughout the day. Nice, modern metal production.

    Then I give the new Clayman re-recordings another listen. Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking with that production and mastering? It’s not a controversial statement to say that the production is total shit. It’s the weakest, muddiest mix they have put ever put out. Even Battles sounded better. Anders and Bjorn must be pissed. The label must be pissed. There is no way in hell they really think this is ok.
     
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  3. galvanized

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    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    Dat sound when you're playing it out of a phone speaker though :cool:
     
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  6. galvanized

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    Yeah, I’m over it now, bro. Just like I’m over the new Cyhra. Time to live the rest of my life. Without these recordings.
     
  7. DE4life

    DE4life 'ello treacle

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    I actually quite like half of NHIH now. Not in the same way I liked LtM, but it's decent, basic pop-metal for the most part. The main problem with that album is Jesper clearly had very limited involvement and Jake really only knows how to write one song template. Regardless there are still some songs there that I don't mind listening to. I Am The One, Lost in Time and Hit Me in particular scored better after repeated listens.

    I know for sure I'll never listen to the rerecorded Clayman tracks again through choice. Utter pieces of garbage. I'm interested to see how the "remastered" songs sound on the rereleased album but I get a strong feeling I'm still going to prefer the original by a huge margin.
     
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    This is how a metal re-recording should sound:

     
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    TheJestersDoor Keep calm and bash Anders

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    Jester Slave Narcissist

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    I really fucking like these track by track articles. Thanks for posting.

    Some thoughts:
    - wtf have they done with the grammar. metal sites are so lazy
    - it is great to hear björn talk so much about jesper. really, the whole interview shows how it was truly a 3-man band. i was sure björn was gonna talk about daniel on square nothing, but nah.
    - i think knowing the intended meaning to some of these songs actually make me appreciate them more. the record always came across to me rather soulless. yes-yes, there are some very moving tracks, but the others just sprint through - or so I felt.
    - it's nice to see that anders seems to have a somewhat centrist stance in politics, like myself. i was totally ready for the embarassment of reading a fucking swedish musician rant about how bad trump is, but no. he is aware that the world is not black and white.
    - interesting info about trying to play some songs live, or why some of them never seemed to cut it.
     
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    So.... My conclusion from your post is that Trump is not a cunt and saying that is centrism :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    TheJestersDoor Keep calm and bash Anders

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    It's a surprisingly open and in depth interview for Anders and Bjorn and I respect that. Some interesting insights. I find it interesting how Bjorn said they weren't trying to replace the originals or match the "hi-fi" recordings of the original but give a new take more similar to how they play them live. This is where I think the line is between their intentions and Howard's intention as there is a clear juxtaposition between what they say they wanted to do and what they got. Bjorn talking about making sure he used a JCM800 on the recording yet it sounding so limo etc etc... This interview somewhat restores my faith that the intentions were good, and that once again we can blame Howard Benson's hand for how it turned out - and by extension Anders & Bjorn's seeming inability see he's not doing what they are telling him they want, and that really he's more in the driving seat that they think. That's my take anyway. Hate on me for that call me naive whatever, but that interview is strikingly open and the way they talk about the rerecordings is surprising IMO. Doesn't change the fact they suck and Bjorn needs to remember how to Solo.
     
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    There's no way that really believe that Anders sounds like this live :D
     
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    I didn't say whether he was a cunt or not. But it's centrist to say that the world has some fundamental problems which can not simply be solved by choosing a leader from your preferred political leaning.
     
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    That's true. But does not apply to Trump.
     
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    I brought him up because everyone is trying to chase clout by berating him. Like that leads to anything, and like there aren't other issues in the world. A week ago I would've brought up the middle-east, but now I can just say look at Belarus.
     
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    A cool interview, Anders for once pretending to give a shit which is nice.

    Not sure about that. I'd argue TJR is the breakthrough in terms of the band gaining significant underground traction, and Come Clarity was the one that really propelled them into the mainstream consciousness for a brief time. Clayman is an amazing album but I don't know if I'd call it a breakthrough album.

    Except you did.

    Well, that part makes sense.

    ? What does Bjorn mean by this? The album has been re-issued in the past but to my knowledge it's never been remastered until now.

    You did not.

    :D oh, Anders. I'm trying to hold myself back, but you make it so difficult.

    And yet...

    Lol, what? Has he looked at his current lyrics? They couldn't be any more obvious or direct.

    OFTW:

    Precisely what modern IF are missing. Bjorn creates a solid base but the magic comes from Jesper's tweaks and additions. Bjorn really should let Broderick add some of his own touches to their new stuff, rather than trying to do everything himself.

    ... As The Future Repeats Today:

    ? They played this a handful of times during the Clayman era and that was it. Bjorn is not remembering correctly. It should have been played a lot more though.

    Yes, we all think that nowadays. How did we go from ATFRT to YOU RIPPED DA HEART OUT, YOU RIPPED DA HEART OUT OF MEEE

    Clayman:

    I don't understand this. Bjorn is saying as he's matured as an artist he's wanted his music to be less polished? I have no idea what he means by saying the original "was never meant to be" polished. Also baffling for him to say that he prefers their music to be faster when taking their current output, especially Siren Charms, into account. SOAPF is almost exclusively mid-tempo - the same for Battles & ITM. Long story short, he's either just talking total shit here or very confused.

    20 years since the album is released and you're "still not there" in knowing how you want to play them live? What is he talking about?

    Let him contribute to some of your music then!

    Translation: I am lazy.

    Vocals should be sung by vocalist too - Bjorn has conveniently left out the vocal backing tracks in his analysis :D

    I would like Anders to elaborate on this. What vocal style and when exactly does he think he learned it?

    Brush the Dust Away:

    I think he's wrong again here. I don't recall this song ever being played live, nor seeing it on any setlist. If it was then it would have been an obscure show on the original Clayman tour, at best. No way they've played it since then and I'm not convinced they have ever actually played it live. Setlist.fm says this song has never been played live, and it has World of Promises, Minus and other obscure songs logged, so... I'm calling BS.

    :D alright that made me laugh. At least he's honest.

    Not even sure what this means - I assume that they rehearsed it but weren't feeling it, but the way Anders phrased it is like they attempted to play it on a set and fucked it up so hard they had to abandon it midway through.

    Yeah, tracks like TCP, Through Oblivion and The Truth, totally fitting into the song order on their respective albums and absolutely not penned as single tracks. Sure.

    We know that this isn't true, because Jesper already revealed they did a cover on ASOP that has never seen the light of day.

    Suburban Me:

    I'm sure you could if you actually tried.

    This makes me more sad than amused :(

    Another Day in Quicksand:

    Uh... alright. Never got a "instrumental with vocals added" vibe from this one, but if you say so, Bjorn.

    A song like this? You mean a good one?

    I enjoyed reading the interview but these two have become experts at talking total nonsense :D as long as they're happy, I guess.
     
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    Suburban Me was only played once to my knowledge. Maybe twice? This explains why it wasn't played more though, which is a shame because it's a really good song.
     
  20. ThePhobiac

    ThePhobiac be at ease

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    DE4life taking In Flames to task and giving them the no-holds-barred polygraph test beatdown we need in these hard times. A true statesman. An In Flamesman, even.
     

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