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Discussion in 'Dark Tranquillity' started by stevepwn, Jan 19, 2012.

  1. Naglfar

    Naglfar As Naglfar devours us all

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    In Flames has three albums worth listening to: Jester Race, Whoracle and Colony. I like them very much, especially Whoracle.

    But... you can argue DT's entire catalogue, except the mundane Character (sorry guys, I know a bunch of you disagree) and Projector, is pretty impressive.

    In Flames is also a terrible live band.

    But this is a question of production and their sound. Who composes better music? I don't really know. It's a straightforward fact that DT's music is more imaginative and complex in every aspect if you were to ask someone to read their music.

    To each his own, though.

    Not that I care about lyrics but In Flames' guys have some... err... issues with the English language ahehehe. Not the best lyrics in the world, AM I RIGHT!?
     
  2. Jolty

    Jolty Monochromatic Stains

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    I've heard worse. Besides, part of the charm of their earlier albums are that they're not perfect.
     
  3. Naglfar

    Naglfar As Naglfar devours us all

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    I dig the earlier albums. And there's no "perfect" in music, so that's a non-issue to me. Their newer stuff has equally silly lyrics. That's not really something I take in consideration with a band, although it's nice when a band does have good / fun lyrics (I love Dan Swano's songs, for example, cheesy as they may be).

    Metal is my favorite genre of music by far but as a whole scores an F+ in poetry, if you get my drift. IF METAL WERE A COLLEGE POETRY COURSE, IT WOULD BE THAT STRANGE CHUBBY GOTH GIRL WHO ALWAYS WRITES AWKWARD ANALOGIES ABOUT HER SEXUALITY INTO HER POEMS
     
  4. 瑠璃

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    THANKS ..

    ;)

    I do agree though the lyrics in metal music are often epic fail. The higher caliber writing is one of the main reasons I like DT and some of their songs. There are certain bands I listen to for general mood or to practice with but I really do wonder what they were thinking or if there is a light on upstairs sometimes :/

    For example a new Epica song:

    Storm the Sorrow (a really f'd up way of saying weather the storm)

    Along the way I find myself
    To be confined within me
    My place where all the others mind to interfere

    To press the meaning of it all
    To overcome my limits
    And dance away from any void and empty tasks

    The storm is wild
    The storm is high
    I can’t survive the storm

    Believe yourselves and look away
    From all the thrive within you
    Leave all your worries at the door
    And drift away

    I’ve tried to appear into the core
    But could not storm the sorrow
    My hollow heart has bled me dry, left me to stray

    Another time
    Without a chance
    Condemned me wrong
    Send me to heaven

    Intertwine the lines
    And swim beneath the dark
    Realize the pain we’re living
    Dreamer as it need reweaving

    In the memories of the deep enough to know
    Centuries of dreams unending
    Another way of you led tears when someone had betrayed

    No time to ever go to waste
    It’s not that complicated
    You’re free to live your life at ease
    No more restrain

    No heat for shadows on your way
    That try to steal your laughter
    Your lights will drive them all away
    Be confident

    Will i refrain
    Can i repent
    Will you be there
    Your eyes have paced
    Where i’m alone in ire <--obviously placed to rhyme and is nonsensical

    Intertwine the lines
    And swim beneath the dark
    Realize the pain we’re living
    Dreamer as it need reweaving

    In the memories of the deep enough to know
    Centuries of dreams unending
    Another way of you led tears when someone had betrayed

    WTF IS THIS?! It is a long string of misused cliches not even put together in a remotely intelligible way. Ugh..
     
  5. Naglfar

    Naglfar As Naglfar devours us all

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    Wow you fucked me up, girl. That's the most embarrassing thing I've read in a long time.

    I keep trying to remember the made-up lyrics that the Tp_Opeth_Fan troll used to have as his sig that he once started as a thread on their forum. Something about dark chariots, this song made me think of it, except it was real.
     
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    People keep saying how great those lyrics are and asking me to sing the song but every time I read the lyrics I come a step closer to prematurely stroking out. And, I think if I attempted to cover it my accompaniment would be my own dry heaves :lol:

    Plenty of poorly done things don't bother me much..but writing and lyrics can really put me off.
     
  7. insidethefall

    insidethefall somewhere nowhere

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    I would say Whoracle tops anything (else) by IF and all of DT's stuff. However the two bands were pretty much rivals in the early day, having large quantities of brilliance. Nowadays although I consider Dark Tranquillity's (recent) music to be pedestrian, over produced and mundane it still shit's all over the trendy mallcore emo shit that IF has turned into.
     
  8. Maxim1110

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    Wait what?!? I have seen them four times, and I can say that there are only three bands that top their live performance: Dark Tranquillity, Sabaton and Pain of Salvation. I only saw one of their concerts having bad sound quality, but I blame that on the venue, considering that any band I've seen there had bad sound quality there and way better just about everywhere else.

    By the way, if we're talking lyrics, try this:

    Pain of Salvation - Iter Impius

    I woke up today
    Expecting to find all that I sought
    And climb the mountains of the life I bought
    Finally I'm at the top of every hierarchy
    Unfortunately there is no one left
    But me

    I woke up today
    To a world that's ground to dust, dirt and stone
    I'm the king upon this withering throne
    I ruled every forest, every mountain, every sea
    Now there're but ruins left to rule for me
    And... you see, it beckons me;
    Life turned its back on us
    How could you just agree?
    ...how? I just don't see...

    I woke up today
    To a world devoid of forests and trees
    Drained of every ocean, every sea
    Just like a useless brick upon the shore
    The morning after the storm
    That swept the bridge away
    Relentless tide
    No anger
    Just this relentless time
    That calls us all on
    But...

    I'm never crossing that line
    Leaving this world behind
    I will stay on my own
    On this bloodstained throne
    I rule the ruins and wrecks
    And the dust, dirt and stone
    I rule rage rod and rattling of bones

    Solo

    I am on my own
    I am all alone
    Everything is gone
    Stuck forever here
    Already cold

    I'm never crossing that line
    Leaving this world behind
    I will stay on my own
    On this bloodstained throne...

    I'm never crossing that line
    Leaving this world behind
    I will stay on my own
    On this bloodstained throne...

    I'm never crossing that line
    Leaving this world behind
    I will stay on my own
    On this bloodstained throne
    I rule the ruins and wrecks
    And the dirt and the dust and the stone
    I'm the ruler of rage rod and rust
    And the rattling of bones
    Ruler of ruin
    I rule the ruins (ad lib)

    I'm never crossing that line
    Leaving this world behind
    I will stay on my own
    On this bloodstained throne
    I rule the ruins and wrecks
    And the dirt and the dust and the stone
    I'm the ruler of rage rod and rust
    And the rattling of bones
    Ruler of ruin
    I rule the ruins (ad lib)
     
  9. Matse

    Matse Customized individuum

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    In Flames is or at least was a really good gig to go to. I saw them shortly after Come Clarity and it was great. They were touring with Lamb of God, Children of Bodom, Slayer and someone else I cannot recall at the moment and were by far the best that evening.
     
  10. 瑠璃

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    Maxim: those lyrics may be hot topic brand of emo and also pretty juvenile but they are at least better than the one I posted..
     
  11. Maxim1110

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    Emo? Juvenile? You clearly don't know Pain of Salvation, or the album BE.
     
  12. Naglfar

    Naglfar As Naglfar devours us all

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    I have the live CD they released once upon a time (the Japan one) and other stuff. I've never caught them live, as they postponed or cancelled the one time I got tix to see them many years ago.

    I guess they got better, cuz my bro-skis have seen them multiple times and vouch for my impression from their recorded live stuff, either on CD or DVD.

    Are you guys serious that people out there actually think IF is in the same league as DT? I mean, I like DT a lot but I don't consider myself partisan or an IF hater. It's just... you know... since Soundtrack... they don't really write good music. There. I've said it. Their singer is not very good either. THERE. I'VE SAID IT.

    We're not talking Children of Bodom or the Haunted-type overrated here. But IF is just a good band. I think DT is one of the better metal bands out there...
     
  13. Defiance

    Defiance I vårens ljusa kvällar

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    Yeah, IF is good and I do like the new stuff, but way out of DT's league. 'Nuff said.
     
  14. Maxim1110

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    ^Agreed with the two above. I do have to say that Sounds of a Playground Fading is the best they've put out since Soundtrack, A Sense of Purpose being their worst album thus far.
     

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