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Internal tom mics for live use?

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by JonWormwood, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. JonWormwood

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    Drummer is going to stop using triggers (bad luck recently, very inconsistent even with roland triggers and multiple DM pros)

    I'm not looking to here advice about how it's a bad idea but I know quite a few people have used internal mic'ing for live applications.

    Anyone with experience have anything to chime in with? Ideally some sort of suspension mount (bungee style that hooks onto the lugs) with some audix D series mics.
     
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    Eh, I hate the basketballing you get with internal mics pointed at the heads. Just a heads up (lolpun), you will need tons of damping and a gate. Audix's D-vice works on a gooseneck if you want to drill a hole on the side of your shells. Even better, install an xlr panel to the shell and get out the hacksaw on a couple of old mic stands. Build you a frame that you just stick inside the shell and... well, never get it back out!
     
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    Why not just put them outside the drums like normal?
     
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    What this guy said.
     
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    This.

    The chance of the mic getting screwed up inside the head would be enough for me to toss the internal mic idea right out the window.
     
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    arv_foh Brian K

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    most of the people I have seen use these..

    http://www.dwdrums.com/may/

    I do recall seeing one drummer that had paper thin mics that attached to the shell, but I don't recall who they were made by, sounded good though from what I can remember. I'll try and find out.
     
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    Just get yourself some shure 98s.
     
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    I have one on my snare. Do not like it that much. Too weird for me. But who knows I just don't know how to get the best of it. I remember there's some tests on youtube with these mics.
     
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    ukko sound like shit if u ask me. very unnatural
     
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    Have you ever thought of a PC based trigger setup? Triggers themselves never "misfire", they are close boundary or contact mics. You would then know a program like slate trigger won't misfire on you. In terms of PC reliability, if the computer is dedicated to live triggers only then you would never have a problem with dropouts, glitches etc.

    If that doesn't sound appealing, your best bed is to do external micing for the shells. Get some mic mounts for the shells and mics to go with and grab those internal kick drum shockmount mic holders and call it a day.
     
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    Internals as mentioned can sound quite basketbally and as they're pointing up at the cymbals you'll get alot of bleed. I really don't see what benefit you get compared to using something like a 604. It really takes no more than about 60 seconds or so to clip them onto your toms & snare unless you've got a ridiculously massive kit.

    I've got to be honest, why do you feel you need a set of mic's? Any venue that has a decent enough setup to accommodate drum mic'ing will most likely have a set of mic's already.
    Maybe getting something like a Shure Beta 91A might be a good idea for those gigs where the venue is using something not ideal for metal like a D112.
     
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    It's really just for drummer IEM mix. but he went ahead and got the Ukkos. They are kinda weird but some Eq'ing fixed it. Lots of attack, no bleed.
     
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    There's video with UKKOs, seems they are used on toms and probably kick, but there is used also mxl mics... probably snare and overhead.
     
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