I have really tried to find a thread about art on this forum but have failed miserably. (Did you know that there are over 100 pages of threads on this forum!?) If there is such a thread, I beg the Mods for forgiveness and ask them to post me the link to the thread and close this one down. The background: A couple of days ago my friends and I went to Tate Modern, which is a museum of modern art here in London. Happy was I, when we started with the surrealists, to find a Salvador Dali that I hadn't seen before. Loved it. His paintings remind me of my most fantastical dreams and I can really get lost for a long time in any one of them, continually seeing new things. I appreciate the effort and the talent and the way he completely draws me in. This is true for many artists, but he is my favourite. Now, I should mention that I am not a fan of all art, quite far from it. Improv dancing and crap like that have always ticled my sucidal bone, but not until Tate Modern did I know that other types of art can do the same. So here is the big question: Is art subjective or objective? I am not talking about taste here. I am talking about what art is, when can we define it as art, and who decides. There are some things out there that I sincerely don't like, but I can still appreciate the artistic merit. I can appreciate the effort, the talent, the style. I can appreciate that someone has made something and spent time doing it, even if I think it's an ugly piece of crap. Which brings me to...installation. W...T...F...? If anyone can explain this to me in a way where I will at least understand why it is considered art, I will be very grateful. (Sorry about the very long post and the huge pictures! For some reason only two of them appear in the resized form) Ok, here they are: The fascinting thing about this is that it is a over 2 metres tall canvas. Could I do it? Probably. Did it take long? I doubt it. To me it looks like something made out of sheer boredom and lack of inspiration with some sort of a deadline looming. Is it art simply because it is a painting? If the painting is put up in a very small room, so that it covers the entire wall, is it then a painted wall and does it stop being art? Ok...what? Yes, this is a sheet of white paper on a white wall. ''It's direction is changed every day by the artist.'' Too bad it doesn't change into going...going...gone. My mom moves the paintings in her living room about twice a month. Can I call it installation art? Or simple boredom? This is an egg piece that is supposed to symbolize the beginning of the universe. I can certainly appreciate the work put into it, and it is quite impressive (over 2 metres tall, I think). If someone told me it was a phone booth I would have thought it impressively artistic. However, it is just an egg shaped thingy. In the undying words of George Carlin: ''I leave the symbols to the symbol-minded.'' ''Venus of Rags'' Well, at least some of them recycle... Nothing was made by the artist, it was just put together by him. Art? This one is not from Tate Modern, I would just like someone to explain to me why the hell this is art. Please, if possible... This is how many times I've gone to the shop and forgotten to buy Nutella. If I call it ''memory number 5'', can I exhibit it as a work of art? Does anyone have pictures of artwork that fits with the title of this thread? Btw, the title is from a German facebook-type site my friend told me about.