Personally, I can't stand Disturbed. They are certainly environmentally friendly, because they recycle almost as much as Jon Schafer does. Back to the point though, is Kamelot took on this new image AFTER already making a name for themselves, which I think is different than Wayne Static who turned off people with his lame hairdo from day one. I don't think you can really compare an underground metal act to a mainstream metal act. I mean, with an Ozzfest band, there is TONS of promotion in mags / MTV / etc when they first burst on the scene. For most underground metal bands, you might hear them before even knowing what they look like, until you purchase a CD. Of course, with a little research you see promo pics and what not. And for those who think Kahn is a trailblazer, I offer you the original chameleon, the mother fuckin' TYRANT!!!